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I pay 34c/kWh and likely more in the future. No thanks.

by voltagex_ 4y ago

sam345 4y ago
Wow, where is that?
- ttyyzz 4y ago
  Germany. I know this because I pay the same.
  - Roritharr 4y ago
    Same here, it's actually one of the reasons I am looking to move to Canada now. Our country has been mismanaged in this regard to a point where I don't see this being solved in the next 20 years, also ideologically the majority does think low energy prices are bad now, so don't event want this fixed.
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    - OJFord 4y ago
      I'm surprised to see market efficiency/management as a reason to move to Canada - usually in such context it's protectionism, milk tokens, etc. being (negatively) discussed. Is the 'hydro' (as they call it) cheap there? I heard the opposite, but that from a Canadian, so perhaps it's just that it's gone up a lot (as everywhere) and they didn't appreciate their lower starting point. Edit: oh, very variable between provinces - https://www.energyhub.org/electricity-prices/ https://www.energyhub.org/electricity-prices/
      - mrshadowgoose 4y ago
        Yep, highly variable based on the province. In Quebec it's so cheap that electric heat is common. But yeah, the corruption is pretty bad here (of course, relatively speaking in the context of first world countries). A few dozen large corporations basically own our government.
  - radicalbyte 4y ago
    Germany's energy market is a huge mess, I read that consumers are heavily subsidising extremely cheap energy for commercial users.
- namecheapTA 4y ago
  Northern California is not much different. It actually makes most plug in hybrids cheaper to run on gas than electric at around $3.50 a gallon and below. https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/rate-plans/rate-plan-options/understanding-rate-plans/understanding-rate-plans.page https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/rate-plans/rate-plan-o...
joenathanone 4y ago
58c/kWh in CA https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/vpjcz5/what_in_the_world_are_these_prices/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/vpjcz5/what_in...
zbrozek 4y ago
You might be in California? The general rate cases for the next year-and-change are posted. The CPUC rubber stamps them, so we already know that there are upcoming rate hikes of around 16% within the next year. https://www.pge.com/en_US/about-pge/company-information/regulation/general-rate-case/grc.page https://www.pge.com/en_US/about-pge/company-information/regu... Soon your bill will be linked to how much you make. So if you're in the top half of income earners, then you'll be charged more. https://www.nrdc.org/experts/merrian-borgeson/cas-energy-trailer-bill-what-just-happened https://www.nrdc.org/experts/merrian-borgeson/cas-energy-tra...
- heretogetout 4y ago
  > Soon your bill will be linked to how much you make. So if you're in the top half of income earners, then you'll be charged more. That's already the case where I'm at (not California). The electric bill often comes with inserts explaining how I could save money if my income is below some threshold. Same goes for my other utility bills.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  > Soon your bill will be linked to how much you make. So if you're in the top half of income earners, then you'll be charged more. What if everything worked like this? Income would have no meaning anymore. If we thought this labor shortage is bad, I can't imagine how we'd get through the one that would cause.
  - bitwize 4y ago
    Imagine all the people, sharing all the world...
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  - BenjiWiebe 4y ago
    I'd assume something like: double your income, rates go up by 20%. That way you are still incentivized to make more money.
teh_klev 4y ago
Same situation here in the UK. - 2018: 16.75p/kWh + 5% VAT - 2021: 20.9p/kWh + 5% VAT - 2022: 27.99p/kWh + 5% VAT And there seems to be no end in sight. To add insult to injury my energy supplier also bumped the "Standing charge" from 30.61p/day to 53.45p/day. There isn't a lot of choice at the moment to try and reduce costs due to the idiotic state of the UK energy market right now.
- odiroot 4y ago
  We can totally expect another 40-50% raise in October.

I pay 34c/kWh and likely more in the future. No thanks.

sam345 4y ago

Wow, where is that?

ttyyzz 4y ago
Germany. I know this because I pay the same.
- Roritharr 4y ago
  Same here, it's actually one of the reasons I am looking to move to Canada now. Our country has been mismanaged in this regard to a point where I don't see this being solved in the next 20 years, also ideologically the majority does think low energy prices are bad now, so don't event want this fixed.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - OJFord 4y ago
    I'm surprised to see market efficiency/management as a reason to move to Canada - usually in such context it's protectionism, milk tokens, etc. being (negatively) discussed. Is the 'hydro' (as they call it) cheap there? I heard the opposite, but that from a Canadian, so perhaps it's just that it's gone up a lot (as everywhere) and they didn't appreciate their lower starting point. Edit: oh, very variable between provinces - https://www.energyhub.org/electricity-prices/ https://www.energyhub.org/electricity-prices/
    - mrshadowgoose 4y ago
      Yep, highly variable based on the province. In Quebec it's so cheap that electric heat is common. But yeah, the corruption is pretty bad here (of course, relatively speaking in the context of first world countries). A few dozen large corporations basically own our government.
- radicalbyte 4y ago
  Germany's energy market is a huge mess, I read that consumers are heavily subsidising extremely cheap energy for commercial users.
namecheapTA 4y ago
Northern California is not much different. It actually makes most plug in hybrids cheaper to run on gas than electric at around $3.50 a gallon and below. https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/rate-plans/rate-plan-options/understanding-rate-plans/understanding-rate-plans.page https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/rate-plans/rate-plan-o...

joenathanone 4y ago

58c/kWh in CA https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/vpjcz5/what_in_the_world_are_these_prices/ https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/vpjcz5/what_in...

zbrozek 4y ago

You might be in California? The general rate cases for the next year-and-change are posted. The CPUC rubber stamps them, so we already know that there are upcoming rate hikes of around 16% within the next year. https://www.pge.com/en_US/about-pge/company-information/regulation/general-rate-case/grc.page https://www.pge.com/en_US/about-pge/company-information/regu... Soon your bill will be linked to how much you make. So if you're in the top half of income earners, then you'll be charged more. https://www.nrdc.org/experts/merrian-borgeson/cas-energy-trailer-bill-what-just-happened https://www.nrdc.org/experts/merrian-borgeson/cas-energy-tra...

heretogetout 4y ago
> Soon your bill will be linked to how much you make. So if you're in the top half of income earners, then you'll be charged more. That's already the case where I'm at (not California). The electric bill often comes with inserts explaining how I could save money if my income is below some threshold. Same goes for my other utility bills.
josephcsible 4y ago
> Soon your bill will be linked to how much you make. So if you're in the top half of income earners, then you'll be charged more. What if everything worked like this? Income would have no meaning anymore. If we thought this labor shortage is bad, I can't imagine how we'd get through the one that would cause.
- bitwize 4y ago
  Imagine all the people, sharing all the world...
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- BenjiWiebe 4y ago
  I'd assume something like: double your income, rates go up by 20%. That way you are still incentivized to make more money.

teh_klev 4y ago

Same situation here in the UK. - 2018: 16.75p/kWh + 5% VAT - 2021: 20.9p/kWh + 5% VAT - 2022: 27.99p/kWh + 5% VAT And there seems to be no end in sight. To add insult to injury my energy supplier also bumped the "Standing charge" from 30.61p/day to 53.45p/day. There isn't a lot of choice at the moment to try and reduce costs due to the idiotic state of the UK energy market right now.

odiroot 4y ago
We can totally expect another 40-50% raise in October.