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This would be a good plan if Eastern Europe were less corrupt than Western Europe. It’s not and WE itself is on a downward path.

by blub 4y ago

yrgulation 4y ago
Corruption is not as much an issue as it was, but i appreciate the attempt. Lets entertain the idea a bit. Dolfie thought the same when he invaded east europe and it didnt work out well and ended up with east europe splitting germany in two and dominating history for half a century until just 30 years ago, all while being orders of magnitude more corrupt than today. And it wasnt western europe that made the corrupt eastern block collapse it was the us and the abject failed political and economic model communism imposed. East europe is on a different level in terms of geopolitics and what happens there affects everyone everywhere. Take russia, a corrupt east european country. It is now creating issues that germany can barely handle and frankly poses existential threats to the mighty german industrial base while there are literally entire countries at risk of famine. All because of a corrupt leader’s wet dreams of glory. Corruption doesnt mean lack of power, quite the contrary, it makes it easier to manipulate masses against perceived foes. And the current war has exposed some rather nasty views in germany. Views that dont sit well with east europeans. Feed that narrative to folks and there will be issues for germany that no amount of shitting on them on forums will solve. All i am doing is raising alarm bells that if the most developed country in europe doesnt listen to its allies, and keeps walking the arrogance path, there will be a bad time for everyone. Current events and the sentiment around it in east europe prove me right. South europe faded away but east europe is a whole different beast. As the saying goes, “he who controls eastern europe controls the heartland”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_Hist...
- blub 4y ago
  Germany and EE (which btw does not include Russia) are economical allies first and foremost, but have different geopolitical concerns and goals. Although here we have to differentiate, because Romania and Bulgaria seem to mind their own business, the Baltics are terrified of Russia, but seem incapable of driving any kind of policy, Hungary’s interested in what’s best for them and Poland’s the same but additionally also partly hostile towards Germany.
  - yrgulation 4y ago
    > Germany and EE (which btw does not include Russia) are economical allies first and foremost, but have different geopolitical concerns and goals. Is it that germany’s geopolitical concerns are different because turning a blind eye would weaken east europe, thus making it perpetually dependent on the former? Or because Poland, Ukraine and Romania with a combined population of 100 mil, and 1.4 trillion USD economy would pose serious opposition to both germany and russia in east europe? I imagine the voting power within the eu and the economic bargaining power would pose quite the issue. I am confused as to why a would be ally and a would be moral high ground country would suddenly be less interested in events happening in its own backyard. Also, Romania is pretty active in the area, but less vocal. Likely on stand by for an invasion of Moldavia, but its most certainly helping ukraine a great deal. Just because its not making news headlines it doesnt mean its not helping and under no circumstances is it a friend of russia. Unlike poland, it already had a proxy war with it in the 90s over transnistria. Cautious politics and statements are wise. Again, an interesting comment, this time pairing romania with bulgaria as if the two are identical. Edit: removed clutter and nonsense.

This would be a good plan if Eastern Europe were less corrupt than Western Europe. It’s not and WE itself is on a downward path.

by blub 4y ago

This would be a good plan if Eastern Europe were less corrupt than Western Europe. It’s not and WE itself is on a downward path.

yrgulation 4y ago

Corruption is not as much an issue as it was, but i appreciate the attempt. Lets entertain the idea a bit. Dolfie thought the same when he invaded east europe and it didnt work out well and ended up with east europe splitting germany in two and dominating history for half a century until just 30 years ago, all while being orders of magnitude more corrupt than today. And it wasnt western europe that made the corrupt eastern block collapse it was the us and the abject failed political and economic model communism imposed. East europe is on a different level in terms of geopolitics and what happens there affects everyone everywhere. Take russia, a corrupt east european country. It is now creating issues that germany can barely handle and frankly poses existential threats to the mighty german industrial base while there are literally entire countries at risk of famine. All because of a corrupt leader’s wet dreams of glory. Corruption doesnt mean lack of power, quite the contrary, it makes it easier to manipulate masses against perceived foes. And the current war has exposed some rather nasty views in germany. Views that dont sit well with east europeans. Feed that narrative to folks and there will be issues for germany that no amount of shitting on them on forums will solve. All i am doing is raising alarm bells that if the most developed country in europe doesnt listen to its allies, and keeps walking the arrogance path, there will be a bad time for everyone. Current events and the sentiment around it in east europe prove me right. South europe faded away but east europe is a whole different beast. As the saying goes, “he who controls eastern europe controls the heartland”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_Hist...

blub 4y ago
Germany and EE (which btw does not include Russia) are economical allies first and foremost, but have different geopolitical concerns and goals. Although here we have to differentiate, because Romania and Bulgaria seem to mind their own business, the Baltics are terrified of Russia, but seem incapable of driving any kind of policy, Hungary’s interested in what’s best for them and Poland’s the same but additionally also partly hostile towards Germany.
- yrgulation 4y ago
  > Germany and EE (which btw does not include Russia) are economical allies first and foremost, but have different geopolitical concerns and goals. Is it that germany’s geopolitical concerns are different because turning a blind eye would weaken east europe, thus making it perpetually dependent on the former? Or because Poland, Ukraine and Romania with a combined population of 100 mil, and 1.4 trillion USD economy would pose serious opposition to both germany and russia in east europe? I imagine the voting power within the eu and the economic bargaining power would pose quite the issue. I am confused as to why a would be ally and a would be moral high ground country would suddenly be less interested in events happening in its own backyard. Also, Romania is pretty active in the area, but less vocal. Likely on stand by for an invasion of Moldavia, but its most certainly helping ukraine a great deal. Just because its not making news headlines it doesnt mean its not helping and under no circumstances is it a friend of russia. Unlike poland, it already had a proxy war with it in the 90s over transnistria. Cautious politics and statements are wise. Again, an interesting comment, this time pairing romania with bulgaria as if the two are identical. Edit: removed clutter and nonsense.