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Eastern Europe and the US aren’t and weren’t prophetic. Yes, it made total sense to secure alternative energy sources, but nobody predicted this war, unless you

by blub 4y ago

Eastern Europe and the US aren’t and weren’t prophetic. Yes, it made total sense to secure alternative energy sources, but nobody predicted this war, unless you want to call those that were always saying that Russia will attack X,Y,Z prophetic. It was foreseeable that there would be tensions and limited conflicts, but not even Ukraine itself was expecting a full-scale invasion until the last moment. Additionally, there was no real scenario under which the EU would be attacked by Russia. Eastern Europe and the Baltics are in NATO. Germany and the EU are heading for a rude awakening. The block is very interconnected and if the German economy is badly damaged, it will take the whole EU with it. The EU did too little before the war and then they did too much too fast.

yrgulation 4y ago
I like the spinning of this: “prophetic”. A quieter or stagnating germany would make room for the rest of the eu to grow. East Europe is Germany’s largest economic contributor by means of exports. It should have leveraged that and should have played the game of sanctions that germany so loves to play against its own allies, just so that the obvious risks wouldn't be mocked as “prophecies”. The EU should indeed head for a rude awakening. How did it end up with a corrupt politician such as ursula at its helm? What went wrong and how can we prevent it from happening again? Hint: a more equal and democratic club.
- hnhg 4y ago
  I feel we’re very much all in for a rude awakening, and must all reckon with corrupt politicians, and the immediate outcome will probably not be a good one.
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- blub 4y ago
  This would be a good plan if Eastern Europe were less corrupt than Western Europe. It’s not and WE itself is on a downward path.
  - yrgulation 4y ago
    Corruption is not as much an issue as it was, but i appreciate the attempt. Lets entertain the idea a bit. Dolfie thought the same when he invaded east europe and it didnt work out well and ended up with east europe splitting germany in two and dominating history for half a century until just 30 years ago, all while being orders of magnitude more corrupt than today. And it wasnt western europe that made the corrupt eastern block collapse it was the us and the abject failed political and economic model communism imposed. East europe is on a different level in terms of geopolitics and what happens there affects everyone everywhere. Take russia, a corrupt east european country. It is now creating issues that germany can barely handle and frankly poses existential threats to the mighty german industrial base while there are literally entire countries at risk of famine. All because of a corrupt leader’s wet dreams of glory. Corruption doesnt mean lack of power, quite the contrary, it makes it easier to manipulate masses against perceived foes. And the current war has exposed some rather nasty views in germany. Views that dont sit well with east europeans. Feed that narrative to folks and there will be issues for germany that no amount of shitting on them on forums will solve. All i am doing is raising alarm bells that if the most developed country in europe doesnt listen to its allies, and keeps walking the arrogance path, there will be a bad time for everyone. Current events and the sentiment around it in east europe prove me right. South europe faded away but east europe is a whole different beast. As the saying goes, “he who controls eastern europe controls the heartland”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_Hist...
    - blub 4y ago
      Germany and EE (which btw does not include Russia) are economical allies first and foremost, but have different geopolitical concerns and goals. Although here we have to differentiate, because Romania and Bulgaria seem to mind their own business, the Baltics are terrified of Russia, but seem incapable of driving any kind of policy, Hungary’s interested in what’s best for them and Poland’s the same but additionally also partly hostile towards Germany.
      - yrgulation 4y ago

by blub 4y ago

yrgulation 4y ago

I like the spinning of this: “prophetic”. A quieter or stagnating germany would make room for the rest of the eu to grow. East Europe is Germany’s largest economic contributor by means of exports. It should have leveraged that and should have played the game of sanctions that germany so loves to play against its own allies, just so that the obvious risks wouldn't be mocked as “prophecies”. The EU should indeed head for a rude awakening. How did it end up with a corrupt politician such as ursula at its helm? What went wrong and how can we prevent it from happening again? Hint: a more equal and democratic club.

hnhg 4y ago
I feel we’re very much all in for a rude awakening, and must all reckon with corrupt politicians, and the immediate outcome will probably not be a good one.
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blub 4y ago
This would be a good plan if Eastern Europe were less corrupt than Western Europe. It’s not and WE itself is on a downward path.
- yrgulation 4y ago
  Corruption is not as much an issue as it was, but i appreciate the attempt. Lets entertain the idea a bit. Dolfie thought the same when he invaded east europe and it didnt work out well and ended up with east europe splitting germany in two and dominating history for half a century until just 30 years ago, all while being orders of magnitude more corrupt than today. And it wasnt western europe that made the corrupt eastern block collapse it was the us and the abject failed political and economic model communism imposed. East europe is on a different level in terms of geopolitics and what happens there affects everyone everywhere. Take russia, a corrupt east european country. It is now creating issues that germany can barely handle and frankly poses existential threats to the mighty german industrial base while there are literally entire countries at risk of famine. All because of a corrupt leader’s wet dreams of glory. Corruption doesnt mean lack of power, quite the contrary, it makes it easier to manipulate masses against perceived foes. And the current war has exposed some rather nasty views in germany. Views that dont sit well with east europeans. Feed that narrative to folks and there will be issues for germany that no amount of shitting on them on forums will solve. All i am doing is raising alarm bells that if the most developed country in europe doesnt listen to its allies, and keeps walking the arrogance path, there will be a bad time for everyone. Current events and the sentiment around it in east europe prove me right. South europe faded away but east europe is a whole different beast. As the saying goes, “he who controls eastern europe controls the heartland”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Geographical_Pivot_of_Hist...
  - blub 4y ago
    Germany and EE (which btw does not include Russia) are economical allies first and foremost, but have different geopolitical concerns and goals. Although here we have to differentiate, because Romania and Bulgaria seem to mind their own business, the Baltics are terrified of Russia, but seem incapable of driving any kind of policy, Hungary’s interested in what’s best for them and Poland’s the same but additionally also partly hostile towards Germany.
    - yrgulation 4y ago