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I wonder why people even tolerate MS's behavior and keep on adding these workarounds. I remember the 80's activists, cutting holes in fences of military instal

I wonder why people even tolerate MS's behavior and keep on adding these workarounds. I remember the 80's activists, cutting holes in fences of military installations. Some politician commented in an interview about the impact: basically we ordered some extra rolls of fence when we built it, and wait until they get tired of their activism. Windows feels similar. Someone wrote a tool to fix MS's latest abomination. Again. Remember the WinXP abominations like integrated DRM and a non-public theming API? Almost nobody patches them out anymore. People just gave up. The next windows iteration of Win11 will break this, someone patches it again, etc.. until no one cares. If you choose this way to fix the problems, MS will win long term, and you're helping them boil the frog.

nicbou 4y ago
I don't. Windows 10 and 11 turned my OS choice from a preference to a requirement. I will not buy a Windows machine for a long time. They turned their OS into borderline malware.
- sobkas 4y ago
  > I don't. Windows 10 and 11 turned my OS choice from a preference to a requirement. I will not buy a Windows machine for a long time. They turned their OS into borderline malware. That's because you are not their customer, you are their free advertisement that you pay for privilege of being. Their real customers are on enterprise level, and because of that, their enterprise version of Windows/Office differs from even pro one. So get yourself better enterprise version (if you can, good luck with that). Also if you want to lease a computer, Linux option is more expensive.
  - prepend 4y ago
    > That's because you are not their customer, you are their free advertisement that you pay for privilege of being. I paid $150 or something for windows. I helped my kids build a gaming machine and bought windows myself for the first time in decades. I’m definitely their customer and it’s a bad experience for the most expensive piece of software I’ve bought personally. If they were giving away home windows, I’d agree. But I think they know they have a monopoly and don’t care and are just squeezing extra revenue as much as possible.
    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      >If they were giving away home windows, I’d agree. They pretty much are though. I activated my Windows 11 installation with a pirated CD key from the windows 7 days and it's still working just fine. They obviously know that CD has been used by so many over the years but it seems they don't bother enforcing the license.
w4rh4wk5 4y ago
> I wonder why people even tolerate MS's behavior Well, what are users supposed to do? Switch to macOS?! Switch to Linux?! Yeah, like that works for the majority of desktop users that need to get their work done.
- hyperman1 4y ago
  The answer is yes, twice. I've given plenty of laptops restaged with Debian+KDE to tons of neighbours, family members, even schools. About 1 in 5 people can't deal with the change and flees back to windows, typically the power user who likes to fiddle with the config forever. Fine by me, and I'll even support them as long as they don't want me to pirate anything. Most people don't care much. A surprisingly big group finds it a breath of fresh air and don't believe a laptop can work this well. Applications? Firefox + libreoffice + krita gets you there 90% of the time. For the remaining 10% you need to seek out alternatives, they are very specific individual needs. In general, a solution can be found with a bit of googling. Wine deals very well with what's left. For bigcorps, I used to think Windows was too entrenched, but it turns out plenty of companies have hidden pockets of linux users. I've just found a group that reformatted their laptops to linux. They get more work done than the rest of the office. Their admins are none, the wiser, as they run a hidden qemu with windows containing the corporate crapware like mcafee and sccm invisibly in the background. They depend on corporate apathy, and as long as the machine stats match up with what the main office expects, it works. The Linux desktop is far from perfect, and stuck in an eternal 90% finished limbo. But compared with e.g. XP, Windows usability has seriously regressed and is now also eternally 90% finished. I mean it when I say it became worse than Linux. Choose your poison, and live with the consequences.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    >The answer is yes, twice. Ok for Linux, but how am I supposed to switch to MacOS on my PC? >Windows usability has seriously regressed and is now also eternally 90% finished Usability yes, but at least the desktop is stable and not into the perpetual X11/Wayland struggle leading to countless issues that are unimaginable on Windows or MacOS. Also, quality of life stuff like Touchpad gestures and hardware video decode that works flawlessly out of the bos on windows is a chore to get on Linux. I use Linux daily for work but I can't use it for leisure or entertainment at home. I don't want to have to break out the command line to get HW decode working, a feature that works out of the box on any cheapo Android phone or tablet, which ironically, run Linux underneath.

nicbou 4y ago

I don't. Windows 10 and 11 turned my OS choice from a preference to a requirement. I will not buy a Windows machine for a long time. They turned their OS into borderline malware.

sobkas 4y ago
> I don't. Windows 10 and 11 turned my OS choice from a preference to a requirement. I will not buy a Windows machine for a long time. They turned their OS into borderline malware. That's because you are not their customer, you are their free advertisement that you pay for privilege of being. Their real customers are on enterprise level, and because of that, their enterprise version of Windows/Office differs from even pro one. So get yourself better enterprise version (if you can, good luck with that). Also if you want to lease a computer, Linux option is more expensive.
- prepend 4y ago
  > That's because you are not their customer, you are their free advertisement that you pay for privilege of being. I paid $150 or something for windows. I helped my kids build a gaming machine and bought windows myself for the first time in decades. I’m definitely their customer and it’s a bad experience for the most expensive piece of software I’ve bought personally. If they were giving away home windows, I’d agree. But I think they know they have a monopoly and don’t care and are just squeezing extra revenue as much as possible.
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    >If they were giving away home windows, I’d agree. They pretty much are though. I activated my Windows 11 installation with a pirated CD key from the windows 7 days and it's still working just fine. They obviously know that CD has been used by so many over the years but it seems they don't bother enforcing the license.

w4rh4wk5 4y ago

> I wonder why people even tolerate MS's behavior Well, what are users supposed to do? Switch to macOS?! Switch to Linux?! Yeah, like that works for the majority of desktop users that need to get their work done.

hyperman1 4y ago
The answer is yes, twice. I've given plenty of laptops restaged with Debian+KDE to tons of neighbours, family members, even schools. About 1 in 5 people can't deal with the change and flees back to windows, typically the power user who likes to fiddle with the config forever. Fine by me, and I'll even support them as long as they don't want me to pirate anything. Most people don't care much. A surprisingly big group finds it a breath of fresh air and don't believe a laptop can work this well. Applications? Firefox + libreoffice + krita gets you there 90% of the time. For the remaining 10% you need to seek out alternatives, they are very specific individual needs. In general, a solution can be found with a bit of googling. Wine deals very well with what's left. For bigcorps, I used to think Windows was too entrenched, but it turns out plenty of companies have hidden pockets of linux users. I've just found a group that reformatted their laptops to linux. They get more work done than the rest of the office. Their admins are none, the wiser, as they run a hidden qemu with windows containing the corporate crapware like mcafee and sccm invisibly in the background. They depend on corporate apathy, and as long as the machine stats match up with what the main office expects, it works. The Linux desktop is far from perfect, and stuck in an eternal 90% finished limbo. But compared with e.g. XP, Windows usability has seriously regressed and is now also eternally 90% finished. I mean it when I say it became worse than Linux. Choose your poison, and live with the consequences.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >The answer is yes, twice. Ok for Linux, but how am I supposed to switch to MacOS on my PC? >Windows usability has seriously regressed and is now also eternally 90% finished Usability yes, but at least the desktop is stable and not into the perpetual X11/Wayland struggle leading to countless issues that are unimaginable on Windows or MacOS. Also, quality of life stuff like Touchpad gestures and hardware video decode that works flawlessly out of the bos on windows is a chore to get on Linux. I use Linux daily for work but I can't use it for leisure or entertainment at home. I don't want to have to break out the command line to get HW decode working, a feature that works out of the box on any cheapo Android phone or tablet, which ironically, run Linux underneath.