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I just want to thank you and also chime in. I'm not even 40 years old and all this frontend crap from the last decade or so makes me feel old. I started learnin

I just want to thank you and also chime in. I'm not even 40 years old and all this frontend crap from the last decade or so makes me feel old. I started learning this webdev stuff from an HTML book in the nineties. A time when 'frontend' meant HTML and CSS, and maybe some plain JS. I'm not here to piss on JS frameworks, it's good that devs push the limits of what's possible, I guess. But there's something to say for simplicity and stuff that's so matured that you can really rely on it. Making sound decisions for your product, your stack and your architecture is a skill.

beardedetim 4y ago
> making sound decisions ... Is a skill I agree! It sucks that most jobs don't care about paying for that skill though.
solardev 4y ago
As someone who's a similar age, I wonder if that's a bit of rose colored nolstagia? Sure, these days the JS ecosystem is incredibly fragmented. Back then it was CSS that was so rapidly evolving nobody could keep up. Remember the ACID tests? And that was even before flexboxes made things both simpler and more complicated. Then there was the streaming wars, where RealPlayer and Flash and ActiveX and whoever else competed to be able to deliver <video>. And what we solve now with CSS layouts and React components used to require frames and iframes and sprinkled JS drop downs that spoke to ColdFusion templates served from a single old Apache instance shared between a thousand users and constantly crashed, and https cost like a thousand dollars and couldn't be used internationally... The web was never simple. We were just younger then and our neurons weren't so degraded yet. /sigh
Shorel 4y ago
These new technologies allow me to build websites about as fast now as I could build applications 25 years ago with FoxPro. The HTML and CSS from the nineties require about five times more work just to get the same results. This is progress.

beardedetim 4y ago

> making sound decisions ... Is a skill I agree! It sucks that most jobs don't care about paying for that skill though.

solardev 4y ago

As someone who's a similar age, I wonder if that's a bit of rose colored nolstagia? Sure, these days the JS ecosystem is incredibly fragmented. Back then it was CSS that was so rapidly evolving nobody could keep up. Remember the ACID tests? And that was even before flexboxes made things both simpler and more complicated. Then there was the streaming wars, where RealPlayer and Flash and ActiveX and whoever else competed to be able to deliver <video>. And what we solve now with CSS layouts and React components used to require frames and iframes and sprinkled JS drop downs that spoke to ColdFusion templates served from a single old Apache instance shared between a thousand users and constantly crashed, and https cost like a thousand dollars and couldn't be used internationally... The web was never simple. We were just younger then and our neurons weren't so degraded yet. /sigh

Shorel 4y ago

These new technologies allow me to build websites about as fast now as I could build applications 25 years ago with FoxPro. The HTML and CSS from the nineties require about five times more work just to get the same results. This is progress.