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> We are headed to a world where accepting all refugees just means your country collapses faster. Do you have a source for this statement? Studies of immigrati

by wumpus 4y ago

> We are headed to a world where accepting all refugees just means your country collapses faster. Do you have a source for this statement? Studies of immigration to the US usually find that it's extremely positive for the country.

thrown_22 4y ago
>Studies of immigration to the US usually find that it's extremely positive for the country. Immigrants are highly motivated people who want to have a better life and are willing to take huge risks. Refugees are normal everyday people who are literally running for their lives and would rather not. Comparing the two groups is extremely insensitive to both of them.
rayiner 4y ago
Positive in what sense, and positive for who? My family immigrated from a country with a rigidly hierarchical social structure, where they were landed elites. That made us natural Obama voters, allies against German and Scots-Irish Americans (you know, “rednecks” who “cling to their guns and religion”). I don’t begrudge anyone in West Virginia thinking that immigration and the resulting cultural change has been bad for them. It has.
rawgabbit 4y ago
Five minutes of googling pulled this up. There are plenty of academic articles refuting Open Borders. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-opinion-optional-practical-training-problems-stem-graduates-deserve-better-jobs-opportunities/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-opinion-optional-pra... “Wage suppression. Because foreign STEM graduates are concentrated in certain occupations, their impact on wages is stark even if absolute numbers aren’t huge. In 2018, some 53,000 foreign students earned degrees in computer science or related engineering fields, two-thirds of which were master’s degrees, according to calculations by Hal Salzman, a professor at Rutgers University’s John J. Heldrich Center for Workforce Development, and Khudodod Khudododov, a research analyst, using data from the National Center for Education Statistics. That year, the U.S. had between 96,000 and 143,000 openings in IT occupations that typically went to candidates with a bachelor’s degree or higher in computer science or engineering, they found. So, OPT participants accounted for anywhere from one-third to one-half of new hires. If you add H-1B candidates, up to two-thirds of openings went to guest workers, according to Salzman.”

by wumpus 4y ago

thrown_22 4y ago

>Studies of immigration to the US usually find that it's extremely positive for the country. Immigrants are highly motivated people who want to have a better life and are willing to take huge risks. Refugees are normal everyday people who are literally running for their lives and would rather not. Comparing the two groups is extremely insensitive to both of them.

rayiner 4y ago

Positive in what sense, and positive for who? My family immigrated from a country with a rigidly hierarchical social structure, where they were landed elites. That made us natural Obama voters, allies against German and Scots-Irish Americans (you know, “rednecks” who “cling to their guns and religion”). I don’t begrudge anyone in West Virginia thinking that immigration and the resulting cultural change has been bad for them. It has.

rawgabbit 4y ago

Five minutes of googling pulled this up. There are plenty of academic articles refuting Open Borders. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-opinion-optional-practical-training-problems-stem-graduates-deserve-better-jobs-opportunities/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-opinion-optional-pra... “Wage suppression. Because foreign STEM graduates are concentrated in certain occupations, their impact on wages is stark even if absolute numbers aren’t huge. In 2018, some 53,000 foreign students earned degrees in computer science or related engineering fields, two-thirds of which were master’s degrees, according to calculations by Hal Salzman, a professor at Rutgers University’s John J. Heldrich Center for Workforce Development, and Khudodod Khudododov, a research analyst, using data from the National Center for Education Statistics. That year, the U.S. had between 96,000 and 143,000 openings in IT occupations that typically went to candidates with a bachelor’s degree or higher in computer science or engineering, they found. So, OPT participants accounted for anywhere from one-third to one-half of new hires. If you add H-1B candidates, up to two-thirds of openings went to guest workers, according to Salzman.”