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A lifeboat is only useful so long as it doesn't sink. We are headed to a world where accepting all refugees just means your country collapses faster. Unless y

A lifeboat is only useful so long as it doesn't sink. We are headed to a world where accepting all refugees just means your country collapses faster. Unless you're Canada or Russia the current century will not be a good one.

chitowneats 4y ago
Geography is only half of geopolitics. I predict you are correct about Canada.
- thrown_22 4y ago
  I'm actually less sure about Canada. The US would annex them before it lets them have an independent foreign policy.
mc32 4y ago
Russia and Canada are big, but Canada is lots of muskeg and much or Russia is inhospitable, -30 in the Winter and 35 in the Summer. Putin was giving people 200 hectares for free to move into Siberia --few takers.
- nostrademons 4y ago
  That's the whole climate-change part - it's not going to be inhospitable for long. Global warming affects the poles more than temperate regions - climate models predict up to 10C warming in the arctic winter. As the permafrost melts the biome is going to change dramatically, although the transition is likely to be quite messy.
  - mc32 4y ago
    When the Tundra defrosts it's muck, things sink, vehicles get stuck. And it's freaking hot in the Summer already, so turn it up and I don't know what it is, but it's not hospitable.
    - nostrademons 4y ago
      Sure, but if the tundra defrosts for long enough, you start getting evaporation, aquifers, drainage, all the normal water cycle stuff that happens in more temperate parts of the globe.
wumpus 4y ago
> We are headed to a world where accepting all refugees just means your country collapses faster. Do you have a source for this statement? Studies of immigration to the US usually find that it's extremely positive for the country.
- thrown_22 4y ago
  >Studies of immigration to the US usually find that it's extremely positive for the country. Immigrants are highly motivated people who want to have a better life and are willing to take huge risks. Refugees are normal everyday people who are literally running for their lives and would rather not. Comparing the two groups is extremely insensitive to both of them.
- rayiner 4y ago
  Positive in what sense, and positive for who? My family immigrated from a country with a rigidly hierarchical social structure, where they were landed elites. That made us natural Obama voters, allies against German and Scots-Irish Americans (you know, “rednecks” who “cling to their guns and religion”). I don’t begrudge anyone in West Virginia thinking that immigration and the resulting cultural change has been bad for them. It has.
- rawgabbit 4y ago
  Five minutes of googling pulled this up. There are plenty of academic articles refuting Open Borders. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-opinion-optional-practical-training-problems-stem-graduates-deserve-better-jobs-opportunities/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-opinion-optional-pra... “Wage suppression. Because foreign STEM graduates are concentrated in certain occupations, their impact on wages is stark even if absolute numbers aren’t huge. In 2018, some 53,000 foreign students earned degrees in computer science or related engineering fields, two-thirds of which were master’s degrees, according to calculations by Hal Salzman, a professor at Rutgers University’s John J. Heldrich Center for Workforce Development, and Khudodod Khudododov, a research analyst, using data from the National Center for Education Statistics. That year, the U.S. had between 96,000 and 143,000 openings in IT occupations that typically went to candidates with a bachelor’s degree or higher in computer science or engineering, they found. So, OPT participants accounted for anywhere from one-third to one-half of new hires. If you add H-1B candidates, up to two-thirds of openings went to guest workers, according to Salzman.”

chitowneats 4y ago

Geography is only half of geopolitics. I predict you are correct about Canada.

thrown_22 4y ago
I'm actually less sure about Canada. The US would annex them before it lets them have an independent foreign policy.

mc32 4y ago

Russia and Canada are big, but Canada is lots of muskeg and much or Russia is inhospitable, -30 in the Winter and 35 in the Summer. Putin was giving people 200 hectares for free to move into Siberia --few takers.

nostrademons 4y ago
That's the whole climate-change part - it's not going to be inhospitable for long. Global warming affects the poles more than temperate regions - climate models predict up to 10C warming in the arctic winter. As the permafrost melts the biome is going to change dramatically, although the transition is likely to be quite messy.
- mc32 4y ago
  When the Tundra defrosts it's muck, things sink, vehicles get stuck. And it's freaking hot in the Summer already, so turn it up and I don't know what it is, but it's not hospitable.
  - nostrademons 4y ago
    Sure, but if the tundra defrosts for long enough, you start getting evaporation, aquifers, drainage, all the normal water cycle stuff that happens in more temperate parts of the globe.

wumpus 4y ago

> We are headed to a world where accepting all refugees just means your country collapses faster. Do you have a source for this statement? Studies of immigration to the US usually find that it's extremely positive for the country.

thrown_22 4y ago
>Studies of immigration to the US usually find that it's extremely positive for the country. Immigrants are highly motivated people who want to have a better life and are willing to take huge risks. Refugees are normal everyday people who are literally running for their lives and would rather not. Comparing the two groups is extremely insensitive to both of them.
rayiner 4y ago
Positive in what sense, and positive for who? My family immigrated from a country with a rigidly hierarchical social structure, where they were landed elites. That made us natural Obama voters, allies against German and Scots-Irish Americans (you know, “rednecks” who “cling to their guns and religion”). I don’t begrudge anyone in West Virginia thinking that immigration and the resulting cultural change has been bad for them. It has.
rawgabbit 4y ago
Five minutes of googling pulled this up. There are plenty of academic articles refuting Open Borders. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-opinion-optional-practical-training-problems-stem-graduates-deserve-better-jobs-opportunities/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-opinion-optional-pra... “Wage suppression. Because foreign STEM graduates are concentrated in certain occupations, their impact on wages is stark even if absolute numbers aren’t huge. In 2018, some 53,000 foreign students earned degrees in computer science or related engineering fields, two-thirds of which were master’s degrees, according to calculations by Hal Salzman, a professor at Rutgers University’s John J. Heldrich Center for Workforce Development, and Khudodod Khudododov, a research analyst, using data from the National Center for Education Statistics. That year, the U.S. had between 96,000 and 143,000 openings in IT occupations that typically went to candidates with a bachelor’s degree or higher in computer science or engineering, they found. So, OPT participants accounted for anywhere from one-third to one-half of new hires. If you add H-1B candidates, up to two-thirds of openings went to guest workers, according to Salzman.”