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Why is Biden boasting about drilling for oil? Our planet demands we stop now

7 points by tcfhgj 4y ago

jleyank 4y ago
I suspect people would want cheaper oil today than less sweating tomorrow...
codefreeordie 4y ago
Because it's really nice not starving to death.
dingosity 4y ago
Man. Dude can't win. Some people hate on him for advocating oil drilling. Others yell at him for not drilling for enough oil. Remind me never to run for president; you jackals would never let me get away with my "COSPLAY MONDAYS IN THE WEST WING!" policy.
thesuperbigfrog 4y ago
Changes have costs. Most will not change until the cost to them either forces a change or it is more economically beneficial to do so. The minimum wage worker has troubling paying for rent and their used car. They cannot afford an electric vehicle. They cannot afford a solar panel for their rented apartment. Change is needed, but many cannot afford it.
- tcfhgj 4y ago
  Do you think the future of mobility simply lies in electric vehicles? Where do you think should a minimum wage worker install solar panels? What can be done to avoid this problem? Perhaps a Carbon Fee and Dividend similar to what Canada realized could help? https://canada.citizensclimatelobby.org/carbon-fee-and-dividend https://canada.citizensclimatelobby.org/carbon-fee-and-divid...
  - thesuperbigfrog 4y ago
    >> Do you think the future of mobility simply lies in electric vehicles? No, but there are many places where internal combustion vehicles are the current "affordable" option and will need to be replaced by a non-polluting vehicle. Electric vehicles seem like the next best replacement, but they are typically too expensive and do not have enough battery charging infrastructure for wide-spread adoption. Lower cost, non-luxury electric vehicles need to be developed and sold. Ideally their development costs and sales to consumers could be subsidized to make them more affordable. Polluting vehicles could also have a trade-in value so that electric vehicles are an option for all drivers. >> Where do you think should a minimum wage worker install solar panels? Solar panels should be installed anywhere there is enough sunlight. While there are initial costs to manufacture and install the solar panels in most cases they will pay for themselves from the generated electricity. Nuclear power needs to replace other polluting power plants. Fission plants now, research and development for fusion plants. Stars are the ultimate energy source--both natural and human-made. >> What can be done to avoid this problem? Make it a priority. That is the hardest part.
gardenfelder 4y ago
This is a complex and messy situation. As an example, this tweet https://twitter.com/wang_seaver/status/1543024226403098624 https://twitter.com/wang_seaver/status/1543024226403098624 makes (to me unproven) claims that a Chinese PV factory is running on coal. The photo seems to suggest that. Of course, one wonders whether those panels will return and go past their carbon debt.

7 points by tcfhgj 4y ago

jleyank 4y ago

I suspect people would want cheaper oil today than less sweating tomorrow...

codefreeordie 4y ago

Because it's really nice not starving to death.

dingosity 4y ago

Man. Dude can't win. Some people hate on him for advocating oil drilling. Others yell at him for not drilling for enough oil. Remind me never to run for president; you jackals would never let me get away with my "COSPLAY MONDAYS IN THE WEST WING!" policy.

thesuperbigfrog 4y ago

Changes have costs. Most will not change until the cost to them either forces a change or it is more economically beneficial to do so. The minimum wage worker has troubling paying for rent and their used car. They cannot afford an electric vehicle. They cannot afford a solar panel for their rented apartment. Change is needed, but many cannot afford it.

tcfhgj 4y ago
Do you think the future of mobility simply lies in electric vehicles? Where do you think should a minimum wage worker install solar panels? What can be done to avoid this problem? Perhaps a Carbon Fee and Dividend similar to what Canada realized could help? https://canada.citizensclimatelobby.org/carbon-fee-and-dividend https://canada.citizensclimatelobby.org/carbon-fee-and-divid...
- thesuperbigfrog 4y ago
  >> Do you think the future of mobility simply lies in electric vehicles? No, but there are many places where internal combustion vehicles are the current "affordable" option and will need to be replaced by a non-polluting vehicle. Electric vehicles seem like the next best replacement, but they are typically too expensive and do not have enough battery charging infrastructure for wide-spread adoption. Lower cost, non-luxury electric vehicles need to be developed and sold. Ideally their development costs and sales to consumers could be subsidized to make them more affordable. Polluting vehicles could also have a trade-in value so that electric vehicles are an option for all drivers. >> Where do you think should a minimum wage worker install solar panels? Solar panels should be installed anywhere there is enough sunlight. While there are initial costs to manufacture and install the solar panels in most cases they will pay for themselves from the generated electricity. Nuclear power needs to replace other polluting power plants. Fission plants now, research and development for fusion plants. Stars are the ultimate energy source--both natural and human-made. >> What can be done to avoid this problem? Make it a priority. That is the hardest part.

gardenfelder 4y ago

This is a complex and messy situation. As an example, this tweet https://twitter.com/wang_seaver/status/1543024226403098624 https://twitter.com/wang_seaver/status/1543024226403098624 makes (to me unproven) claims that a Chinese PV factory is running on coal. The photo seems to suggest that. Of course, one wonders whether those panels will return and go past their carbon debt.