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It's not actually over, but if your hobby is getting COVID over and over until your immune system blows out you do you.

thorncorona 4y ago
It's endemic at this point. 2 years in we have vaccines, treatments, and the virus itself has evolved. Anecdotally over the last couple months most of the people I know have caught it and recovered a week later.
bcatanzaro 4y ago
All of us are going to need a lot of therapy to deal with the PTSD from this pandemic. It's very difficult to know how to weigh small but measurable risks. Meanwhile the unseen risks of years of lockdowns will reverberate through generations.
- tehjoker 4y ago
  - pinewurst 4y ago
    The main difference is China has a government that will happily reap your organs while you are still alive if you disobey.
  - addicted 4y ago
    The funny thing about all these “risks of lockdown” is that the country facing the biggest post pandemic mental health crises, etc., is the US. A country which never even had a real lockdown and even if we consider the US’s “well, don’t eat meals indoors in restaurants for a few months” fake lockdowns to be the same as say European “you can’t meet people outside your household for months” lockdowns, European countries just had much longer lockdowns. Yet European countries are not exhibiting all these negative effects of the lockdowns the U.S. is. Crime, suicides, traffic violence, none of those surged in comparable European countries the way it did in the U.S.
    - beebeepka 4y ago
      Maybe these things are largely manufactured. Good PR can absolutely dictate how the masses feel. Or at least give a false impression that looks real enough. Companies do it as well.
    - nivenkos 4y ago
      This isn't true at all - in Spain teenage suicide and other mental health issues grew massively. https://www.lavanguardia.com/vida/20211209/7898188/covid-disparado-195-intentos-suicidios-chicas-catalunya.html https://www.lavanguardia.com/vida/20211209/7898188/covid-dis... https://www.lavanguardia.com/vivo/psicologia/20201108/49260473202/pandemia-aumento-suicidios.html https://www.lavanguardia.com/vivo/psicologia/20201108/492604... Europe isn't some magical wonderland. It's just poorer than the US but with better infrastructure.
  - concordDance 4y ago
    "We"? You assuming everyone on hackernews is American again?
  - nivenkos 4y ago
    Lockdowns are evil - Spain is still recovering for teenage suicide rates, etc. https://www.lavanguardia.com/vida/20211209/7898188/covid-disparado-195-intentos-suicidios-chicas-catalunya.html https://www.lavanguardia.com/vida/20211209/7898188/covid-dis... https://www.lavanguardia.com/vivo/psicologia/20201108/49260473202/pandemia-aumento-suicidios.html https://www.lavanguardia.com/vivo/psicologia/20201108/492604... It wasn't worth the cost.
qwerpy 4y ago
Is an immune system more like a tire or a muscle when it comes to wear and tear? I’m an engineer so I have zero medical expertise, but I thought that antibodies make you more resilient to a particular disease and getting sick is the usual way to get antibodies.
- tehjoker 4y ago
  The particular biology of sars2 is concerning. It has a super antigen, supresses mhc1, and is very fast and stealthy. Long covid is very real. A recent study found vaccination only protects against it by 15%. Another major study found serial reinfection incurs significant risks each infection. A. Leonardi hypothesizes that naive T cells are protective. Older people have fewer. Hyperstimulation due to antigen will cause the process from naive to effector to proceed and over time deplete that population. In any case, COVID is slightly better controlled with vaccination to the point where it doesn't outright kill you, but that doesn't mean that with a seatbelt I'm looking to crash my car on the reg. You don't walk away healthier each time.

It's endemic at this point. 2 years in we have vaccines, treatments, and the virus itself has evolved. Anecdotally over the last couple months most of the people I know have caught it and recovered a week later.

bcatanzaro 4y ago

All of us are going to need a lot of therapy to deal with the PTSD from this pandemic. It's very difficult to know how to weigh small but measurable risks. Meanwhile the unseen risks of years of lockdowns will reverberate through generations.

tehjoker 4y ago
- pinewurst 4y ago
  The main difference is China has a government that will happily reap your organs while you are still alive if you disobey.
- addicted 4y ago
  The funny thing about all these “risks of lockdown” is that the country facing the biggest post pandemic mental health crises, etc., is the US. A country which never even had a real lockdown and even if we consider the US’s “well, don’t eat meals indoors in restaurants for a few months” fake lockdowns to be the same as say European “you can’t meet people outside your household for months” lockdowns, European countries just had much longer lockdowns. Yet European countries are not exhibiting all these negative effects of the lockdowns the U.S. is. Crime, suicides, traffic violence, none of those surged in comparable European countries the way it did in the U.S.
  - beebeepka 4y ago
    Maybe these things are largely manufactured. Good PR can absolutely dictate how the masses feel. Or at least give a false impression that looks real enough. Companies do it as well.
  - nivenkos 4y ago
    This isn't true at all - in Spain teenage suicide and other mental health issues grew massively. https://www.lavanguardia.com/vida/20211209/7898188/covid-disparado-195-intentos-suicidios-chicas-catalunya.html https://www.lavanguardia.com/vida/20211209/7898188/covid-dis... https://www.lavanguardia.com/vivo/psicologia/20201108/49260473202/pandemia-aumento-suicidios.html https://www.lavanguardia.com/vivo/psicologia/20201108/492604... Europe isn't some magical wonderland. It's just poorer than the US but with better infrastructure.
- concordDance 4y ago
  "We"? You assuming everyone on hackernews is American again?
- nivenkos 4y ago
  Lockdowns are evil - Spain is still recovering for teenage suicide rates, etc. https://www.lavanguardia.com/vida/20211209/7898188/covid-disparado-195-intentos-suicidios-chicas-catalunya.html https://www.lavanguardia.com/vida/20211209/7898188/covid-dis... https://www.lavanguardia.com/vivo/psicologia/20201108/49260473202/pandemia-aumento-suicidios.html https://www.lavanguardia.com/vivo/psicologia/20201108/492604... It wasn't worth the cost.

qwerpy 4y ago

Is an immune system more like a tire or a muscle when it comes to wear and tear? I’m an engineer so I have zero medical expertise, but I thought that antibodies make you more resilient to a particular disease and getting sick is the usual way to get antibodies.

tehjoker 4y ago
The particular biology of sars2 is concerning. It has a super antigen, supresses mhc1, and is very fast and stealthy. Long covid is very real. A recent study found vaccination only protects against it by 15%. Another major study found serial reinfection incurs significant risks each infection. A. Leonardi hypothesizes that naive T cells are protective. Older people have fewer. Hyperstimulation due to antigen will cause the process from naive to effector to proceed and over time deplete that population. In any case, COVID is slightly better controlled with vaccination to the point where it doesn't outright kill you, but that doesn't mean that with a seatbelt I'm looking to crash my car on the reg. You don't walk away healthier each time.