> Anyone who isn't directly contributing to a product can't be high performing. Are you implying managers don't directly contribute to a product? Because wow,

> Anyone who isn't directly contributing to a product can't be high performing. Are you implying managers don't directly contribute to a product? Because wow, you're really either horribly naive or wildly narcissistic. As a someone who managed programmers for almost 20 years, only a fraction were hands-off. Why do you think all the 10x engineers become managers? A high performing manager hits targets, ships products, and makes customers happy. If you think a hot shot programmer on a team can do this all by themselves, I don't know what to tell you. You'll have to learn the hard way.