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If anyone made a mess it isn't the single mom trying to feed her kids, she shouldn't be the one who is punished. How about huge tax on international travel? On

If anyone made a mess it isn't the single mom trying to feed her kids, she shouldn't be the one who is punished. How about huge tax on international travel? On the order of say 500%, make it totally unaffordable. A trip to Europe produces far more carbon than a few years worth of trips to the grocery store and isn't at all necessary.

kstrauser 4y ago
I mean, that seems like peak Big Government Overreach, but to each their own. Alternatively, people could quit buying wholly inappropriate vehicles. If your job requires you to carry lots of cargo around, then a pickup makes a lot of sense. If you drive a spotless Ram 2500 that never leaves the suburb, then I don't want to hear a damn thing about the price of gasoline. And even if you personally don't drive an idiotically wasteful vehicle, a huge portion of Americans do, and their gas guzzlers drive up demand for the same fuel that you and I want to purchase, causing its price to skyrocket. We don't all need to be driving something like a Nissan Versa, but a lot of people whose real requirements would be met perfectly by something like that are driving Yukons and whining about gas prices.
- willcipriano 4y ago
  Those cars produce less carbon than your vacation halfway across the globe and aren't used purely for recreational purposes. It seems like carbon really isn't your issue here.
  - kstrauser 4y ago
    I haven't gone on a distant vacation in many years, so not I'm not sure why you're bringing that up. But yes, a suburban-dwelling, daily commuter Expedition is absolutely a recreational choice, and an irresponsible one at that.
    - willcipriano 4y ago
      > But yes, a suburban-dwelling, daily commuter Expedition is absolutely a recreational choice, and an irresponsible one at that. Just like air travel. If making one unaffordable is positive, why not the other?
      - pessimizer 4y ago
        Who said cheap airfares were good?

kstrauser 4y ago

I mean, that seems like peak Big Government Overreach, but to each their own. Alternatively, people could quit buying wholly inappropriate vehicles. If your job requires you to carry lots of cargo around, then a pickup makes a lot of sense. If you drive a spotless Ram 2500 that never leaves the suburb, then I don't want to hear a damn thing about the price of gasoline. And even if you personally don't drive an idiotically wasteful vehicle, a huge portion of Americans do, and their gas guzzlers drive up demand for the same fuel that you and I want to purchase, causing its price to skyrocket. We don't all need to be driving something like a Nissan Versa, but a lot of people whose real requirements would be met perfectly by something like that are driving Yukons and whining about gas prices.

willcipriano 4y ago
Those cars produce less carbon than your vacation halfway across the globe and aren't used purely for recreational purposes. It seems like carbon really isn't your issue here.
- kstrauser 4y ago
  I haven't gone on a distant vacation in many years, so not I'm not sure why you're bringing that up. But yes, a suburban-dwelling, daily commuter Expedition is absolutely a recreational choice, and an irresponsible one at that.
  - willcipriano 4y ago
    > But yes, a suburban-dwelling, daily commuter Expedition is absolutely a recreational choice, and an irresponsible one at that. Just like air travel. If making one unaffordable is positive, why not the other?
    - pessimizer 4y ago
      Who said cheap airfares were good?