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> “We know that teenagers are the most sleep-deprived age group, and the cause is our own public policy,” said Joy Wake, who helped lead the efforts of the “Sta

> “We know that teenagers are the most sleep-deprived age group, and the cause is our own public policy,” said Joy Wake, who helped lead the efforts of the “Start School Later” group in California. I really doubt that. Sleep deprivation comes in large part from online behavior (source: personal anecdotes). Whether or not anyone wants to talk about that is another matter. The new law is unlikely to change the sleep-deprived status of students. Parents taking responsibility can.

msbarnett 4y ago
> Sleep deprivation comes in large part from online behavior Longitudinal studies observing that teenage circadian rhythms shift towards sleeping in later long predate "online behavior".
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lasfter 4y ago
It is well documented since before the smartphone age that adolescence comes with changes to circadian rhythm (e.g., [0]) which makes teens want to stay up late at night. It is certainly stronger evidence than personal anecdotes about "teens are always on their phones". [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19546564/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19546564/
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tomtheelder 4y ago
Online behavior is not the cause. It might be an aggravating factor, but teenagers have been sleep deprived for a lot longer than the internet has been around [1]. If we want to talk personal anecdotes, I definitely never slept enough as a teenager despite not having internet access at that point. I'd be up reading books and stuff like that. There are a lot of factors that go into adolescents not getting enough sleep, and it's pretty clear that early school start times are one of them: and one that can be controlled. Also I think suggesting that parents can take responsibility for the bed time of their teenagers is more than a little unrealistic. [1] http://www.sleepforscience.org/stuff/contentmgr/files/94a9f6f63ae18bc30f3d2d0b005e42fa/pdf/carskadon_pediatrician1990.pdf http://www.sleepforscience.org/stuff/contentmgr/files/94a9f6... (from 1990 about sleep deprivation in adolescents)

msbarnett 4y ago

> Sleep deprivation comes in large part from online behavior Longitudinal studies observing that teenage circadian rhythms shift towards sleeping in later long predate "online behavior".

iso1631 4y ago

lasfter 4y ago

It is well documented since before the smartphone age that adolescence comes with changes to circadian rhythm (e.g., [0]) which makes teens want to stay up late at night. It is certainly stronger evidence than personal anecdotes about "teens are always on their phones". [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19546564/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19546564/

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tomtheelder 4y ago

Online behavior is not the cause. It might be an aggravating factor, but teenagers have been sleep deprived for a lot longer than the internet has been around [1]. If we want to talk personal anecdotes, I definitely never slept enough as a teenager despite not having internet access at that point. I'd be up reading books and stuff like that. There are a lot of factors that go into adolescents not getting enough sleep, and it's pretty clear that early school start times are one of them: and one that can be controlled. Also I think suggesting that parents can take responsibility for the bed time of their teenagers is more than a little unrealistic. [1] http://www.sleepforscience.org/stuff/contentmgr/files/94a9f6f63ae18bc30f3d2d0b005e42fa/pdf/carskadon_pediatrician1990.pdf http://www.sleepforscience.org/stuff/contentmgr/files/94a9f6... (from 1990 about sleep deprivation in adolescents)