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That's because the law is based around what's been observed behaviorally/biologically. Not what's good for working parents Schools shouldn't be forcing develop

by feet 4y ago

That's because the law is based around what's been observed behaviorally/biologically. Not what's good for working parents Schools shouldn't be forcing developing humans into a schedule that impairs their ability to learn and function, no matter what they want to decide

koolba 4y ago
If they do enough physical and mental labor during the day and turn off their smart phones at night, they’ll have no issue going to sleep early enough. On the other hand if you do nothing mentally stimulating or physically tiring all day long, then of course you won’t be able to sleep till late.
- KMag 4y ago
  That's no joke. I did tree removal for a few weeks one Summer while waiting for my Summer camp counselling job to start. I slept a solid 10 hours every night and felt awesome every morning. "Guiltless sleep of the righteous" and all of that. If they could bottle that sleep in a pill without having to drag downed trees all day, it would be crazy addictive.
- heretogetout 4y ago
  Have you read the relevant research on the subject?
- crooked-v 4y ago
  Teenagers literally have different sleep rhythms than either children or adults, so in the average case staying up late is a symptom, not a cause.
  - feet 4y ago
    ITT: people who haven't read the research decide they know what is best based on personal anecdote
- Salgat 4y ago
  I'd rather just stick to what studies find as best instead of anecdotes about needing to physically exhaust children to force them into the desired sleep schedule. Also there's research showing humans have varying natural times they ideally sleep at, and they suffer outside those hours.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  > physical labor during the day You heard it boys and girls, back to ploughing the fields it is!
  - feet 4y ago
    I'm hearing child labor is coming back in vogue in the US!
giantg2 4y ago
What is behaviorally/biologically beneficial varies by individual. Societal life should be a factor as that does factor into the holistic well-being of the student. Not just some myopic rule about start times that negatively impacts everything else (after school activities, jobs, parent schedules, etc). "Schools shouldn't be forcing developing humans into a schedule that impairs their ability to learn and function, no matter what they want to decide" If you actually believe that, then you have to be against this law. Any schedule will negatively affect someone. A later schedule would have been terrible for me.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  > A later schedule would have been terrible for me. Me too. I have always been an early riser, early sleeper. Forcing me to go to school later in the day would have been awful.
  - least 4y ago
    In what way would it have been awful? Even if you shifted schools several hours ahead of your wake time, it just means that you have more time in the morning and less time in the afternoon, but still well within your normal hours. I think the goal of these sorts of policies is to increase the breadth of students which can benefit from you know, actually being well rested inside school hours. A person that sleeps later and wakes up later (which studies that justify these sorts of policies indicates teenagers largely are) would benefit from a later start time.
- least 4y ago
  > What is behaviorally/biologically beneficial varies by individual. As someone that has sleep issues that deviate vastly from the norm, I empathize with this point, but it doesn't really mean much when it comes to designing policy, which is supposed to serve its demographic broadly. > Societal life should be a factor as that does factor into the holistic well-being of the student. Not just some myopic rule about start times that negatively impacts everything else (after school activities, jobs, parent schedules, etc). The rule being set by the state or by the local school district is hardly of consequence. You're okay with painting broad strokes about parents' lives but then make an argument about individual students. > If you actually believe that, then you have to be against this law. Any schedule will negatively affect someone. A later schedule would have been terrible for me. Unless you're suggesting that the start times be adjusted to cater to every single individual's needs, this is just pointing out that the start time the school you attended coincided with what worked for you personally.

by feet 4y ago

koolba 4y ago

If they do enough physical and mental labor during the day and turn off their smart phones at night, they’ll have no issue going to sleep early enough. On the other hand if you do nothing mentally stimulating or physically tiring all day long, then of course you won’t be able to sleep till late.

KMag 4y ago
That's no joke. I did tree removal for a few weeks one Summer while waiting for my Summer camp counselling job to start. I slept a solid 10 hours every night and felt awesome every morning. "Guiltless sleep of the righteous" and all of that. If they could bottle that sleep in a pill without having to drag downed trees all day, it would be crazy addictive.
heretogetout 4y ago
Have you read the relevant research on the subject?
crooked-v 4y ago
Teenagers literally have different sleep rhythms than either children or adults, so in the average case staying up late is a symptom, not a cause.
- feet 4y ago
  ITT: people who haven't read the research decide they know what is best based on personal anecdote
Salgat 4y ago
I'd rather just stick to what studies find as best instead of anecdotes about needing to physically exhaust children to force them into the desired sleep schedule. Also there's research showing humans have varying natural times they ideally sleep at, and they suffer outside those hours.
ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> physical labor during the day You heard it boys and girls, back to ploughing the fields it is!
- feet 4y ago
  I'm hearing child labor is coming back in vogue in the US!

giantg2 4y ago

What is behaviorally/biologically beneficial varies by individual. Societal life should be a factor as that does factor into the holistic well-being of the student. Not just some myopic rule about start times that negatively impacts everything else (after school activities, jobs, parent schedules, etc). "Schools shouldn't be forcing developing humans into a schedule that impairs their ability to learn and function, no matter what they want to decide" If you actually believe that, then you have to be against this law. Any schedule will negatively affect someone. A later schedule would have been terrible for me.

rootusrootus 4y ago
> A later schedule would have been terrible for me. Me too. I have always been an early riser, early sleeper. Forcing me to go to school later in the day would have been awful.
- least 4y ago
  In what way would it have been awful? Even if you shifted schools several hours ahead of your wake time, it just means that you have more time in the morning and less time in the afternoon, but still well within your normal hours. I think the goal of these sorts of policies is to increase the breadth of students which can benefit from you know, actually being well rested inside school hours. A person that sleeps later and wakes up later (which studies that justify these sorts of policies indicates teenagers largely are) would benefit from a later start time.
least 4y ago
> What is behaviorally/biologically beneficial varies by individual. As someone that has sleep issues that deviate vastly from the norm, I empathize with this point, but it doesn't really mean much when it comes to designing policy, which is supposed to serve its demographic broadly. > Societal life should be a factor as that does factor into the holistic well-being of the student. Not just some myopic rule about start times that negatively impacts everything else (after school activities, jobs, parent schedules, etc). The rule being set by the state or by the local school district is hardly of consequence. You're okay with painting broad strokes about parents' lives but then make an argument about individual students. > If you actually believe that, then you have to be against this law. Any schedule will negatively affect someone. A later schedule would have been terrible for me. Unless you're suggesting that the start times be adjusted to cater to every single individual's needs, this is just pointing out that the start time the school you attended coincided with what worked for you personally.