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yes and simple calculators are everywhere: https://www.schwab.com/annuities/fixed-income-annuity-calculator https://www.schwab.com/annuities/fixed-income-annuit

yes and simple calculators are everywhere: https://www.schwab.com/annuities/fixed-income-annuity-calculator https://www.schwab.com/annuities/fixed-income-annuity-calcul... Its basically 5% Annually... to which stock-people say "why not put into a dividend earning fund" and analysis paralysis kicks in...

burntoutfire 4y ago
I went into that calculator and it does not say anything about inflation... Do annuities get wiped out by inflation (i.e. they'll keep paying me the agreed monthly amount, but unfortunately it's not going to be worth much)? If, then they're pretty crappy.
- noodlesUK 4y ago
  There are instruments at least that used to exist (in the UK) called defined benefit pensions that effectively work as you describe. They have some level of inflation cap (typically between 3 and 9%) beyond which they are not inflation protected. I don’t know if people can still get them, but many pensioners in the UK on private pensions have them.
- rundmc 4y ago
  Fully agree. That's why tontine are so attractive, the income is expected to rise which may keep up and possibly surpass inflation.
- tfehring 4y ago
  Yes, they generally get wiped out by inflation. You can get annuities whose payments increase by a fixed amount every year, or that increase based on the performance of the S&P 500 or whatever, but AFAIK you can't get an annuity with inflation-indexed payments today. I agree that that limitation makes them pretty crappy. Inflation-indexed annuities used to be available (I think until 2010 or so), but companies broadly stopped selling them because hedging long-term inflation is expensive.
  - BayesianDice 4y ago
    In the UK at least it looks like you can still get inflation index-linked annuities - for example, there are entries in the Hargreaves Lansdown "best buy" tables for for RPI-linked annuities: https://www.hl.co.uk/retirement/annuities/best-buy-rates https://www.hl.co.uk/retirement/annuities/best-buy-rates But their starting income is less than half the income from the non-increasing annuity, presumably because of difficulty/expense in hedging inflation risk.
sp527 4y ago
That strategy is even better when you factor in stepped up cost bases on inherited property.

burntoutfire 4y ago

I went into that calculator and it does not say anything about inflation... Do annuities get wiped out by inflation (i.e. they'll keep paying me the agreed monthly amount, but unfortunately it's not going to be worth much)? If, then they're pretty crappy.

noodlesUK 4y ago
There are instruments at least that used to exist (in the UK) called defined benefit pensions that effectively work as you describe. They have some level of inflation cap (typically between 3 and 9%) beyond which they are not inflation protected. I don’t know if people can still get them, but many pensioners in the UK on private pensions have them.
rundmc 4y ago
Fully agree. That's why tontine are so attractive, the income is expected to rise which may keep up and possibly surpass inflation.
tfehring 4y ago
Yes, they generally get wiped out by inflation. You can get annuities whose payments increase by a fixed amount every year, or that increase based on the performance of the S&P 500 or whatever, but AFAIK you can't get an annuity with inflation-indexed payments today. I agree that that limitation makes them pretty crappy. Inflation-indexed annuities used to be available (I think until 2010 or so), but companies broadly stopped selling them because hedging long-term inflation is expensive.
- BayesianDice 4y ago
  In the UK at least it looks like you can still get inflation index-linked annuities - for example, there are entries in the Hargreaves Lansdown "best buy" tables for for RPI-linked annuities: https://www.hl.co.uk/retirement/annuities/best-buy-rates https://www.hl.co.uk/retirement/annuities/best-buy-rates But their starting income is less than half the income from the non-increasing annuity, presumably because of difficulty/expense in hedging inflation risk.

sp527 4y ago

That strategy is even better when you factor in stepped up cost bases on inherited property.