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Now do this for the influence of the state's pathologies on public schoolkids.

by _dain_ 4y ago

poulsbohemian 4y ago
>Now do this for the influence of the state's pathologies on public schoolkids. Such as?
- duckmysick 4y ago
  Zero-tolerance policies could be one example.
  - poulsbohemian 4y ago
    What's a "zero-tolerance" policy? I've only ever heard this term used in the context of guns on school campuses. Does it have some other meaning?
    - anon291 4y ago
      Suppose you are a kid who's getting bullied by a larger kid. Every day the kid takes your stuff and messes with it or something. You (maybe) complain to the teacher, but really you're scared that if the teacher leaks that you complained, the kid will beat you. So eventually you grow tired of it, you've worked out a bit, and now you beat the kid up. Now... you get suspended/expelled, instead of the bully. That's a zero-tolerance policy. My wife's cousin was suspended for a few weeks for standing up to her bully. My in-laws and her family decided to reward her and she got two weeks of a fun family vacation. But the school was trying to punish her, and if her parents and grandparents weren't more sensible, perhaps they would have succeeded.
ComradePhil 4y ago
- kennywinker 4y ago
  That is an insane thing to say. Qanon level insanity. Trans activism is big pharma selling HRT to kids? First off, HRT is expensive, but not that expensive. Whatever made up narrative you have for them convincing kids to support trans people would be entirely too expensive to justify. Second, trans people have existed for MUCH MUCH longer than pharmaceutical companies have existed. Edit: oh, this poster thinks hitler was an admirable figure. Ok, nevermind, no need to entertain their words anymore: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31722179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31722179
  - devindotcom 4y ago
    Oh, good catch.
  - jimmygrapes 4y ago
    So what explanation do YOU have for trans activism? It certainly isn't just "we have always had this many of them but now it's ok to acknowledge". From my experiences (which are many) it is vastly due to cultural identitarianism with a hefty side helping of physical, emotional, and psychological abuse. But I still want to hear your explanation.
    - kennywinker 4y ago
      People have always been this way. Some points in history culture has crushed it out of almost everyone, sometimes in history culture has encouraged it to flourish. We’re in a time when culture is doing both. Your assertion that it is certainly not aways been here, is wrong. Examples in history are plentiful. From shakepearean actors, to two-spirit people in the americas. Gender is somewhere between 50% and 100% a social construct. We construct it differently in different times, but the desire to construct it both as a binary and as a fluid spectrum are as human as breathing.
    - devindotcom 4y ago
      Gender and sexuality have been fluid for as long as we've recorded them. It's in all the primary sources. Trans people (and gay people, and bi, and asexual..) exist and have always existed - it's only now that modern medicine is capable of and permitted to let them shape their body in the way that matches their identity. It also happens to be during a resurgence in anti-LGBT rhetoric that's part of the MAGA "we had it right in the '50s" dog whistle. Their activism is a natural result.
kennywinker 4y ago
Im focusing on the problems with homeschooling because I believe that if you’re considering homeschooling, you are probably well aware of those pathologies. You probably have lived experience of them, since odds are you went to school. The other reason is I don’t have direct experience of the pathologies of the school system - so if someone is going to speak about them it shouldn’t be me.

Now do this for the influence of the state's pathologies on public schoolkids.

by _dain_ 4y ago

Now do this for the influence of the state's pathologies on public schoolkids.

poulsbohemian 4y ago

>Now do this for the influence of the state's pathologies on public schoolkids. Such as?

duckmysick 4y ago
Zero-tolerance policies could be one example.
- poulsbohemian 4y ago
  What's a "zero-tolerance" policy? I've only ever heard this term used in the context of guns on school campuses. Does it have some other meaning?
  - anon291 4y ago
    Suppose you are a kid who's getting bullied by a larger kid. Every day the kid takes your stuff and messes with it or something. You (maybe) complain to the teacher, but really you're scared that if the teacher leaks that you complained, the kid will beat you. So eventually you grow tired of it, you've worked out a bit, and now you beat the kid up. Now... you get suspended/expelled, instead of the bully. That's a zero-tolerance policy. My wife's cousin was suspended for a few weeks for standing up to her bully. My in-laws and her family decided to reward her and she got two weeks of a fun family vacation. But the school was trying to punish her, and if her parents and grandparents weren't more sensible, perhaps they would have succeeded.

ComradePhil 4y ago

kennywinker 4y ago
That is an insane thing to say. Qanon level insanity. Trans activism is big pharma selling HRT to kids? First off, HRT is expensive, but not that expensive. Whatever made up narrative you have for them convincing kids to support trans people would be entirely too expensive to justify. Second, trans people have existed for MUCH MUCH longer than pharmaceutical companies have existed. Edit: oh, this poster thinks hitler was an admirable figure. Ok, nevermind, no need to entertain their words anymore: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31722179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31722179
- devindotcom 4y ago
  Oh, good catch.
- jimmygrapes 4y ago
  So what explanation do YOU have for trans activism? It certainly isn't just "we have always had this many of them but now it's ok to acknowledge". From my experiences (which are many) it is vastly due to cultural identitarianism with a hefty side helping of physical, emotional, and psychological abuse. But I still want to hear your explanation.
  - kennywinker 4y ago
    People have always been this way. Some points in history culture has crushed it out of almost everyone, sometimes in history culture has encouraged it to flourish. We’re in a time when culture is doing both. Your assertion that it is certainly not aways been here, is wrong. Examples in history are plentiful. From shakepearean actors, to two-spirit people in the americas. Gender is somewhere between 50% and 100% a social construct. We construct it differently in different times, but the desire to construct it both as a binary and as a fluid spectrum are as human as breathing.
  - devindotcom 4y ago
    Gender and sexuality have been fluid for as long as we've recorded them. It's in all the primary sources. Trans people (and gay people, and bi, and asexual..) exist and have always existed - it's only now that modern medicine is capable of and permitted to let them shape their body in the way that matches their identity. It also happens to be during a resurgence in anti-LGBT rhetoric that's part of the MAGA "we had it right in the '50s" dog whistle. Their activism is a natural result.

kennywinker 4y ago

Im focusing on the problems with homeschooling because I believe that if you’re considering homeschooling, you are probably well aware of those pathologies. You probably have lived experience of them, since odds are you went to school. The other reason is I don’t have direct experience of the pathologies of the school system - so if someone is going to speak about them it shouldn’t be me.