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Hmm, lectins don't typically affect the liver to this degree though... I know they said their toxicology came back negative, but this sounds like toxin contamin

• Jtsummers 4y ago
  At least for those who had their gallbladders removed for gallstones, it's more likely this meal happened to trigger a gallbladder attack (whether from the lentils or something else in it). The lentils being undercooked could have triggered gastrointestinal issues in the other people, and maybe some of the ones with gallstones whose gallstones and gallbladder issues were then discovered by coincidence.
  • UncleOxidant 4y ago
    Yeah, the gallbladder removal part seems odd to me as well. I had gallbladder trouble a few years back and an ultrasound showed that I had a stone. Surgeon wanted to remove my gallbladder, but I found that moving to a vegan diet completely ameliorated the symptoms so I did not have the surgery done. When researching this I found that many people are found to have gallstones in the course of imaging for other issues and they often never have had any gallbladder pain or issues. The conclusion was that the presence of gallstones does not in itself indicate gallbladder removal. As you're saying, I suspect that the docs were having trouble figuring out what was wrong, noticed there were gallstones present and decided to remove the gallbladder to see if that would help.
  • pdevr 4y ago
    This is a possibility. The mere existence of gallstones does not necessitate the removal of gallstones[1]. In this case, it is likely the pain, because it was similar to the one experienced with those having gallstone issues, was wrongly linked to the presence of gallstones. [1] https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gallstones/symptoms-causes/syc-20354214 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gallstones/sy...
• elliekelly 4y ago
  I know nothing at all about the chemistry or nutritional aspects but I do cook my own dog food and know that many canine nutritionists are recommending <10% of a dog’s daily calories come from legumes because of a (still, I believe, poorly understood) link to heart issues: https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/outbreaks-and-advisories/fda-investigation-potential-link-between-certain-diets-and-canine-dilated-cardiomyopathy https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/outbreaks-and-advisori... My understanding was that initially most vets assumed it was the “grain free” thing causing a problem but then it was discovered that the heart issues have only been associated with certain grain free brands. I can’t help but wonder if it’s something to do with both the volume of lentils in the brand recipes and also how the brands are preparing their lentils.
  • djitz 4y ago
    I’m very curious as to what you are cooking for your dogs, because I can’t think of an ingredient that should not be fed raw
    • elliekelly 4y ago
      I know some people feed raw meat but it’s not recommended and so I don’t. But a lot of dog food ingredients besides meat require cooking, too: eggs, rice, pasta, oats, yams, chickpeas, black beans, etc. Other ingredients could be eaten raw but they’re either difficult to eat (asparagus) or can cause gastrointestinal upset/gas (broccoli). I do feed a lot of raw or already prepared foods as well: yogurt, cottage cheese, pumpkin, carrots, applesauce, bananas, peanut butter, blueberries, watermelon, etc. The ingredients all need to balance out for the day to make sure they get the right nutrients and to make sure the fats/protein/carbs are with appropriate ranges so how much dog food cooking I do varies each week. Sometimes it’s more and sometimes it’s less. I’m always cooking at least a meat and pasta/rice though.
      • djitz 4y ago
        Thank you for the reply!