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Thanks again President Trump!

kstrauser 4y ago
I'll admit, this is one thing, perhaps literally the only thing, he did that I think is excellent for individual Americans.
- nicodjimenez 4y ago
  Yep. That, and space force, and cheap energy, and renegotiating trade agreements, and not starting any new wars.
  - BurningFrog 4y ago
    This is rapidly becoming a Monty Python sketch :)
  - sodality2 4y ago
    "Cheap energy" is not the boon you think it is. You have to consider other factors - deregulating the food industry and getting rid of the FDA would save millions of taxpayer's money, would lower prices of the supply chain and let consumers pay significantly less for food, yet would have drastic side effects. Cheap energy that requires deregulation, more alarming and precarious climate effects, etc might not be a net positive. Likewise, "not starting any new wars" can be perceived as bowing to foreign nations by anyone who wants to frame it negatively, or vice versa as an amazing success for diplomacy.
    - 0des 4y ago
      > "not starting any new wars" can be perceived as bowing to foreign nations This is an interesting take on peace in the middle east.
      - sodality2 4y ago
        Hey, I agree with you there, but my point is that any aspect of politics can (and will) be reframed by both sides to support their preconceived beliefs. I've edited my comment to speak in a more neutral political tone.
        nicodjimenez 4y ago
        The "both sides" idea is an illusion, the two sides disagree on everything but on one very important point there is no disagreement...
        sodality2 4y ago
        I'm not sure what you're referring to. I said that in any political situation, people tend to posit the evidence to support their own beliefs. It sounds like you're referring to false balance [0]. But that's not what I'm doing at all - I'm not posing any political beliefs as equally valid, I'm stating that everyone will change the parameters of an argument in order to solidify their beliefs. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_balance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_balance
      - nicodjimenez 4y ago
        <laughing emoji />
    - kstrauser 4y ago
      Thank you for saying so. Flooding the market with cheap, low-quality crude would drop the price of gasoline, but it'd be horrid for the environment.
      - willcipriano 4y ago
        Go to the gas station and tell the struggling families how good for the environment it is that they have to choose between essentials and going to work.
        kstrauser 4y ago
        Yeah, that sucks. We've gotten ourselves into a bad situation where we're still dependent on a horrible form of energy for common needs. That doesn't change the fact that every gallon of gas we burn screws up the entire planet just a little bit more.
        willcipriano 4y ago
        If anyone made a mess it isn't the single mom trying to feed her kids, she shouldn't be the one who is punished. How about huge tax on international travel? On the order of say 500%, make it totally unaffordable. A trip to Europe produces far more carbon than a few years worth of trips to the grocery store and isn't at all necessary.
        kstrauser 4y ago
        I mean, that seems like peak Big Government Overreach, but to each their own. Alternatively, people could quit buying wholly inappropriate vehicles. If your job requires you to carry lots of cargo around, then a pickup makes a lot of sense. If you drive a spotless Ram 2500 that never leaves the suburb, then I don't want to hear a damn thing about the price of gasoline. And even if you personally don't drive an idiotically wasteful vehicle, a huge portion of Americans do, and their gas guzzlers drive up demand for the same fuel that you and I want to purchase, causing its price to skyrocket. We don't all need to be driving something like a Nissan Versa, but a lot of people whose real requirements would be met perfectly by something like that are driving Yukons and whining about gas prices.
- 0des 4y ago
  I appreciated the right to trying life saving treatment even if it isn't officially approved or completed trials yet.
- karmanyaahm 4y ago
  IPv6 mandate too
  - InefficientRed 4y ago
    That has nothing on Al Gore, who invented the internet! And in much the same way as any other president doing something popular and uncontroversial: it would've happened almost no matter who was at the top. (Point is, most legislation and XOs are largely bipartisan. Policy is driven much more by the machinations of hundreds of thousands of faceless/nameless actors than by the guy at the top. In both good ways and bad. The same is true in companies. The genius of leaders is mostly in their salesmanship.)
    - tacocataco 4y ago
      > The genius of leaders is mostly in their salesmanship. The topic of a couple Adam Curtis's documentaries IIRC. Obama's first presidential campaign won marketing awards: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/jun/29/barack-obama-cannes-lions https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/jun/29/barack-obama-c...
    - karmanyaahm 4y ago
      I agree. 99% 'people at the top' probably don't even know what IP is. Much less IPv6 migration problems. However, the point of an xyz 'administration' is that they they take credit or blame for the work of faceless bureaucrats.
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- ars 4y ago
  > I'll admit, this is one thing, perhaps literally the only thing, he did that And the COVID vaccine? Trump did a lot of good things, but he made everything about himself personally which overshadowed all his actions. On a personal level Trump did a lot of stupid stuff, but on a policy level he didn't.
- GuB-42 4y ago
  Trump is a troll, but when he was president, he did his job like all presidents before him. I actually don't think the US president has that much power in practice. After considering the constitution, expert studies, standard procedures, state finances, and public opinion, for most decisions, the president doesn't have much choice. He will however choose how it is presented: make a show out of it or do it discreetly, take full credit or present it as somewhat forced, present a different aspect of it, etc... In big democracies, heads of state are mostly the face of the country, but most work happen behind the scenes. Even in less democratic major countries (Russia, China,...) there is a limit on what the ruler can do. And if you are asking, I don't think that the Ukraine war is Putin's war, he played a role, but I think it is the almost unavoidable result of decades of tension and complex politics between Russia and the West.
  - DIARRHEA_xd 4y ago
    > I actually don't think the US president has that much power in practice. Completely agree. As the world gets larger and more interconnected/free, the power any one man can have decreases.
spaetzleesser 4y ago
I would say thank you if he hadn’t put so much effort into undermining Obamacare and making things worse for a lot of people.

I'll admit, this is one thing, perhaps literally the only thing, he did that I think is excellent for individual Americans.

nicodjimenez 4y ago
Yep. That, and space force, and cheap energy, and renegotiating trade agreements, and not starting any new wars.
- BurningFrog 4y ago
  This is rapidly becoming a Monty Python sketch :)
- sodality2 4y ago
  "Cheap energy" is not the boon you think it is. You have to consider other factors - deregulating the food industry and getting rid of the FDA would save millions of taxpayer's money, would lower prices of the supply chain and let consumers pay significantly less for food, yet would have drastic side effects. Cheap energy that requires deregulation, more alarming and precarious climate effects, etc might not be a net positive. Likewise, "not starting any new wars" can be perceived as bowing to foreign nations by anyone who wants to frame it negatively, or vice versa as an amazing success for diplomacy.
  - 0des 4y ago
    > "not starting any new wars" can be perceived as bowing to foreign nations This is an interesting take on peace in the middle east.
    - sodality2 4y ago
      Hey, I agree with you there, but my point is that any aspect of politics can (and will) be reframed by both sides to support their preconceived beliefs. I've edited my comment to speak in a more neutral political tone.
      - nicodjimenez 4y ago
        The "both sides" idea is an illusion, the two sides disagree on everything but on one very important point there is no disagreement...
        sodality2 4y ago
        I'm not sure what you're referring to. I said that in any political situation, people tend to posit the evidence to support their own beliefs. It sounds like you're referring to false balance [0]. But that's not what I'm doing at all - I'm not posing any political beliefs as equally valid, I'm stating that everyone will change the parameters of an argument in order to solidify their beliefs. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_balance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_balance
    - nicodjimenez 4y ago
      <laughing emoji />
  - kstrauser 4y ago
    Thank you for saying so. Flooding the market with cheap, low-quality crude would drop the price of gasoline, but it'd be horrid for the environment.
    - willcipriano 4y ago
      Go to the gas station and tell the struggling families how good for the environment it is that they have to choose between essentials and going to work.
      - kstrauser 4y ago
        Yeah, that sucks. We've gotten ourselves into a bad situation where we're still dependent on a horrible form of energy for common needs. That doesn't change the fact that every gallon of gas we burn screws up the entire planet just a little bit more.
        willcipriano 4y ago
        If anyone made a mess it isn't the single mom trying to feed her kids, she shouldn't be the one who is punished. How about huge tax on international travel? On the order of say 500%, make it totally unaffordable. A trip to Europe produces far more carbon than a few years worth of trips to the grocery store and isn't at all necessary.
        kstrauser 4y ago
        I mean, that seems like peak Big Government Overreach, but to each their own. Alternatively, people could quit buying wholly inappropriate vehicles. If your job requires you to carry lots of cargo around, then a pickup makes a lot of sense. If you drive a spotless Ram 2500 that never leaves the suburb, then I don't want to hear a damn thing about the price of gasoline. And even if you personally don't drive an idiotically wasteful vehicle, a huge portion of Americans do, and their gas guzzlers drive up demand for the same fuel that you and I want to purchase, causing its price to skyrocket. We don't all need to be driving something like a Nissan Versa, but a lot of people whose real requirements would be met perfectly by something like that are driving Yukons and whining about gas prices.
0des 4y ago
I appreciated the right to trying life saving treatment even if it isn't officially approved or completed trials yet.
karmanyaahm 4y ago
IPv6 mandate too
- InefficientRed 4y ago
  That has nothing on Al Gore, who invented the internet! And in much the same way as any other president doing something popular and uncontroversial: it would've happened almost no matter who was at the top. (Point is, most legislation and XOs are largely bipartisan. Policy is driven much more by the machinations of hundreds of thousands of faceless/nameless actors than by the guy at the top. In both good ways and bad. The same is true in companies. The genius of leaders is mostly in their salesmanship.)
  - tacocataco 4y ago
    > The genius of leaders is mostly in their salesmanship. The topic of a couple Adam Curtis's documentaries IIRC. Obama's first presidential campaign won marketing awards: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/jun/29/barack-obama-cannes-lions https://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/jun/29/barack-obama-c...
  - karmanyaahm 4y ago
    I agree. 99% 'people at the top' probably don't even know what IP is. Much less IPv6 migration problems. However, the point of an xyz 'administration' is that they they take credit or blame for the work of faceless bureaucrats.
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ars 4y ago
> I'll admit, this is one thing, perhaps literally the only thing, he did that And the COVID vaccine? Trump did a lot of good things, but he made everything about himself personally which overshadowed all his actions. On a personal level Trump did a lot of stupid stuff, but on a policy level he didn't.
GuB-42 4y ago
Trump is a troll, but when he was president, he did his job like all presidents before him. I actually don't think the US president has that much power in practice. After considering the constitution, expert studies, standard procedures, state finances, and public opinion, for most decisions, the president doesn't have much choice. He will however choose how it is presented: make a show out of it or do it discreetly, take full credit or present it as somewhat forced, present a different aspect of it, etc... In big democracies, heads of state are mostly the face of the country, but most work happen behind the scenes. Even in less democratic major countries (Russia, China,...) there is a limit on what the ruler can do. And if you are asking, I don't think that the Ukraine war is Putin's war, he played a role, but I think it is the almost unavoidable result of decades of tension and complex politics between Russia and the West.
- DIARRHEA_xd 4y ago
  > I actually don't think the US president has that much power in practice. Completely agree. As the world gets larger and more interconnected/free, the power any one man can have decreases.

spaetzleesser 4y ago

I would say thank you if he hadn’t put so much effort into undermining Obamacare and making things worse for a lot of people.