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Here's a strategy that I've found works decently with these people: frame it in terms of (1) being resourceful (2) being responsible and preserving resources fo
by throw10920 4y ago
Here's a strategy that I've found works decently with these people: frame it in terms of (1) being resourceful (2) being responsible and preserving resources for the next generation (especially their children, if they have them) (3) not being "lazy and wasteful" (you might not like that framing, but it kind of works better for that kind of personality) and (4) national sovereignty (the more wasteful we are with resources, the more we have to depend on other governments for them).
There's also a few good ones for moving away from ICEs: (1) I'd rather make things out of oil/plastic than just burn it up (2) national sovereignty and (3) resilience in case of war or disaster.
Relatedly, I don't think I've every heard an environmentalist use these points. Any idea what that is?
- agentdrtran 4y agothey do all the time, it doesn't work. people might be dumb but they are not dumb enough to know when they're being pandered to. they have a cultural signifier and they like it that way.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 4y agoThe best argument for EVs is putting them on the passenger seat of a Tesla Model 3 Performance, and putting the hammer down. Stop arguing with abstract concepts, benefits for society, and dishonest framing (people are really allergic to anything they perceive as being lied to). Show the immediate, direct, tangible benefits they get.
- throw10920 4y agoWow, this is both a really good idea and a good concrete example of it. Adding it to my toolbox. Thanks!
- chipsa 4y agoI don't argue in FB about the environmental benefits of EVs, but rather hype immediate benefits: faster on the 0-40 times than most cars (even beating some sports cars), less maintenance, and never having to hit the gas station. Just plug in at night.
- specialist 4y agoIdentity is impervious to persuasion, logic, values. So what does that leave us? Cult deprogramming techniques? Lithium in the water? Show me the techniques that work, and I'll do it. I've studied and tried them all. Meanwhile, I've given up. Absolutely refuse to talk news or politics with friends and relations. Not even with people I agree with. Now I just practice radical empathy. I fear the only way to win is to not play.