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The entire US is not at-will employment. And companies with strong employee unions do not have this issue of suddenly and without notice firing their staff...

scarface74 4y ago
Well if you are lucky enough to live in Montana instead of the other 49 states….
peterangular 4y ago
Minus Montana, every state is at-will employment of some sort or another. And, I think Montana may even have it in some form now. > And companies with strong employee unions do not have this issue of suddenly and without notice firing their staff... Lots of people don't work at a place with a union, and don't have access to unionized employment due to industry, current geography, etc. Also we're seeing a huge anti-union push by a lot of interests right now, recently notable being Starbucks.
WalterBright 4y ago
At will employment works both ways. You can quit at any moment to get a better job.
- NoraCodes 4y ago
  And yet, the norm is that employees give notice while companies give nothing.
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    As the WSJ reported a few weeks ago, companies often find out an employee had quit when the company noticed that they'd stopped showing up for work. Sometimes they disappear with accrued pay being owed them, and don't leave a way to contact them to give them their pay. Companies doing layoffs often give 2 weeks notice in the form of a 2 week severance check and escorting them out. This is for good reason - very few people are productive as a short timer, and some are even destructive. I'm not saying companies good employees bad. I'm saying these things cut both ways all the time.
    - slowhand09 4y ago
      I tendered my resignation once and was met at my desk in an hour. They brought two boxes, watched me pack. They interrupted me while writing detailed status for customers on each of about 5 projects I was working on. I hit the print button, and was escorted to the conference room. They offered a severance package if I agreed not to discuss why I was leaving. I handed the status package I'd printed to my (former) manager. He glanced at it, and recommended they double the severence. Best summer ever. I looked for work, and was paid to deliver sailboats offshore.
      - WalterBright 4y ago
        The reason people are met at their desk, watched, and escorted out is now and then an employee will be tempted to steal company equipment, and worse, commit some form of sabotage in their anger. As usual, a stinker here and there ruins it for everyone.
- legulere 4y ago
  Things only work both ways when they are symmetrical relationships. In almost all cases your employer is in a stronger position.
  - WalterBright 4y ago
    I've been an employer and an employee. It is symmetric. Employees can and do negotiate, and if you do something they don't like, they walk away. You cannot make them do anything. If anything, it's the employee with more power. Employees have special rights. For example, meeting payroll is the first priority of any employer. Any disruption on that and the state will hammer the employer into a pulp. Employees have all sorts of legal advantages in pressing frivolous lawsuits against employers. I've had lawyers from BigCorp tell me they just settle the frivolous ones, because it's far cheaper than going to court, especially with the court heavily biased against them. The suing employees know this, which is why they do it. Employees can walk away at their whim. They can walk away if they don't like the cut of your jib, or because they don't want to work for a woman, or for any racist reason they feel like. An employer cannot. Employee candidates can ask any question they like of the potential employer. Not so the other way.

scarface74 4y ago

Well if you are lucky enough to live in Montana instead of the other 49 states….

peterangular 4y ago

Minus Montana, every state is at-will employment of some sort or another. And, I think Montana may even have it in some form now. > And companies with strong employee unions do not have this issue of suddenly and without notice firing their staff... Lots of people don't work at a place with a union, and don't have access to unionized employment due to industry, current geography, etc. Also we're seeing a huge anti-union push by a lot of interests right now, recently notable being Starbucks.

WalterBright 4y ago

At will employment works both ways. You can quit at any moment to get a better job.

NoraCodes 4y ago
And yet, the norm is that employees give notice while companies give nothing.
- WalterBright 4y ago
  As the WSJ reported a few weeks ago, companies often find out an employee had quit when the company noticed that they'd stopped showing up for work. Sometimes they disappear with accrued pay being owed them, and don't leave a way to contact them to give them their pay. Companies doing layoffs often give 2 weeks notice in the form of a 2 week severance check and escorting them out. This is for good reason - very few people are productive as a short timer, and some are even destructive. I'm not saying companies good employees bad. I'm saying these things cut both ways all the time.
  - slowhand09 4y ago
    I tendered my resignation once and was met at my desk in an hour. They brought two boxes, watched me pack. They interrupted me while writing detailed status for customers on each of about 5 projects I was working on. I hit the print button, and was escorted to the conference room. They offered a severance package if I agreed not to discuss why I was leaving. I handed the status package I'd printed to my (former) manager. He glanced at it, and recommended they double the severence. Best summer ever. I looked for work, and was paid to deliver sailboats offshore.
    - WalterBright 4y ago
      The reason people are met at their desk, watched, and escorted out is now and then an employee will be tempted to steal company equipment, and worse, commit some form of sabotage in their anger. As usual, a stinker here and there ruins it for everyone.
legulere 4y ago
Things only work both ways when they are symmetrical relationships. In almost all cases your employer is in a stronger position.
- WalterBright 4y ago
  I've been an employer and an employee. It is symmetric. Employees can and do negotiate, and if you do something they don't like, they walk away. You cannot make them do anything. If anything, it's the employee with more power. Employees have special rights. For example, meeting payroll is the first priority of any employer. Any disruption on that and the state will hammer the employer into a pulp. Employees have all sorts of legal advantages in pressing frivolous lawsuits against employers. I've had lawyers from BigCorp tell me they just settle the frivolous ones, because it's far cheaper than going to court, especially with the court heavily biased against them. The suing employees know this, which is why they do it. Employees can walk away at their whim. They can walk away if they don't like the cut of your jib, or because they don't want to work for a woman, or for any racist reason they feel like. An employer cannot. Employee candidates can ask any question they like of the potential employer. Not so the other way.