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Great that they have gone open-source, but whatever this project is, their github page and their website are some of the worst I have ever seen from a communica

by Closi 4y ago

Great that they have gone open-source, but whatever this project is, their github page and their website are some of the worst I have ever seen from a communications perspective! I have absolutely no clue what on earth a browser for programmers is and why it would help me to 'think clearly'. Contrast to Firefox and Chrome websites - both of which have a screenshot on their landing page.

ss48 4y ago
This was a video walkthrough of the browser from a while back. I agree the communication on the github and website page need to improve a lot. https://www.loom.com/share/93c7c0012f514c37b58a42fa65badc88 https://www.loom.com/share/93c7c0012f514c37b58a42fa65badc88 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28446147 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28446147
- m12k 4y ago
  That actually look pretty neat - I've wanted for a while now for my browser to be more "research" oriented, with ways of grouping all those related tabs that are all trying to answer the same question, or represent the same line of inquery.
  - scoopertrooper 4y ago
    Trying to workout how this relates to the core product of this startup (3D game UX analytics).
    - nequo 4y ago
      Maybe it was their internal tooling?
      - scoopertrooper 4y ago
        Presumably, but it seems most of the work in to improving the productivity of certain web browsing workflows. It may help improve some tasks, but not exactly core product stuff. If my capital were on the line, I’d be pretty annoyed seeing it spent that way.
        azeirah 4y ago
        They're just two dudes trying out stuff.
        Tao3300 4y ago
        > If my capital were on the line, I’d be pretty annoyed seeing it spent that way. I think you'll find you get a lot of mileage out of taking those particular glasses off from time to time.
- bongobingo1 4y ago
  What the dickens, this looks great. Grouping by domain is a great idea along with the workspaces.
  - capableweb 4y ago
    > Grouping by domain I basically do this already with Firefox and TreeStyleTabs (but ad-hoc). Any middle mouse/ctrl+click I do on a link, opens in a new tab nested under the current one. So all HN stuff is under one tab that is collapsed, all GitHub stuff is under one and so one. Really effective when you do research, as you can do the initial search on Google, then every result you open goes under the existing tab, which is conveniently labeled via the <title> tag on the Google page.
  - ss48 4y ago
    That's been one of my favorite features in Safari: sorting tabs by website. https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-organize-tabs-in-safari?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-organize-tabs-in-safa...
hinkley 4y ago
I was privy to a conversation a couple years ago that got out of control, shortly after our peacekeeper left the team, and I was feeling a little too much in agreement with one of the participants A to step in and shut it down even though he was winding B up something fierce. The apex of the argument came down to documentation quality, and at first I thought this conversation was over and A won a bunch of points. I forgot about it for almost a year and then it came back into my brain, moved into the upstairs room, and has been trying not to pay rent ever since. And this is what is playing in a loop in my head: What if your documentation isn't shit because you are bad at explaining things. What if your documentation is shit because you're bad at writing code that can be explained? I was really excited about this thread until I read your reply. And now all I can think is 'why is their documentation bad?' prejudging it before even looking at it.
- nescioquid 4y ago
  I like how you turn a phrase, though I fear some manner of contact-tracing is in order now. The next time I see bad documentation, I'll be thinking of your comment, wondering if it wasn't an aborted attempt at explaining the unexplainable.
- shoo 4y ago
  Another place this pops up is documentation for processes in a business -- this could be a process for onboarding or compliance rituals or (hopefully not) deployment. Perhaps a business group has a process that is taught to new individuals who join the group through shadowing or song or dance, it is part of the folklore and rich and vibrant spoken cultural tradition of the group, but has never been written down. Then someone attempts to document it, and the result is confusing. What if the process documentation isn't confusing and stupid because the author is bad at explaining things - what if the process documentation is stupid because the process is stupid and needs to be changed. Another approach to this kind of thing is to reverse the sequence of "do it", "document it" steps and draft a rough version of the documentation up-front as part of an initial design, while it is cheaper to change the process or system, before work is done to implement it and roll it out.
  - 4y ago

by Closi 4y ago

ss48 4y ago

This was a video walkthrough of the browser from a while back. I agree the communication on the github and website page need to improve a lot. https://www.loom.com/share/93c7c0012f514c37b58a42fa65badc88 https://www.loom.com/share/93c7c0012f514c37b58a42fa65badc88 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28446147 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28446147

m12k 4y ago
That actually look pretty neat - I've wanted for a while now for my browser to be more "research" oriented, with ways of grouping all those related tabs that are all trying to answer the same question, or represent the same line of inquery.
- scoopertrooper 4y ago
  Trying to workout how this relates to the core product of this startup (3D game UX analytics).
  - nequo 4y ago
    Maybe it was their internal tooling?
    - scoopertrooper 4y ago
      Presumably, but it seems most of the work in to improving the productivity of certain web browsing workflows. It may help improve some tasks, but not exactly core product stuff. If my capital were on the line, I’d be pretty annoyed seeing it spent that way.
      - azeirah 4y ago
        They're just two dudes trying out stuff.
      - Tao3300 4y ago
        > If my capital were on the line, I’d be pretty annoyed seeing it spent that way. I think you'll find you get a lot of mileage out of taking those particular glasses off from time to time.
bongobingo1 4y ago
What the dickens, this looks great. Grouping by domain is a great idea along with the workspaces.
- capableweb 4y ago
  > Grouping by domain I basically do this already with Firefox and TreeStyleTabs (but ad-hoc). Any middle mouse/ctrl+click I do on a link, opens in a new tab nested under the current one. So all HN stuff is under one tab that is collapsed, all GitHub stuff is under one and so one. Really effective when you do research, as you can do the initial search on Google, then every result you open goes under the existing tab, which is conveniently labeled via the <title> tag on the Google page.
- ss48 4y ago
  That's been one of my favorite features in Safari: sorting tabs by website. https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-organize-tabs-in-safari?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-organize-tabs-in-safa...

hinkley 4y ago

I was privy to a conversation a couple years ago that got out of control, shortly after our peacekeeper left the team, and I was feeling a little too much in agreement with one of the participants A to step in and shut it down even though he was winding B up something fierce. The apex of the argument came down to documentation quality, and at first I thought this conversation was over and A won a bunch of points. I forgot about it for almost a year and then it came back into my brain, moved into the upstairs room, and has been trying not to pay rent ever since. And this is what is playing in a loop in my head: What if your documentation isn't shit because you are bad at explaining things. What if your documentation is shit because you're bad at writing code that can be explained? I was really excited about this thread until I read your reply. And now all I can think is 'why is their documentation bad?' prejudging it before even looking at it.

nescioquid 4y ago
I like how you turn a phrase, though I fear some manner of contact-tracing is in order now. The next time I see bad documentation, I'll be thinking of your comment, wondering if it wasn't an aborted attempt at explaining the unexplainable.
shoo 4y ago
Another place this pops up is documentation for processes in a business -- this could be a process for onboarding or compliance rituals or (hopefully not) deployment. Perhaps a business group has a process that is taught to new individuals who join the group through shadowing or song or dance, it is part of the folklore and rich and vibrant spoken cultural tradition of the group, but has never been written down. Then someone attempts to document it, and the result is confusing. What if the process documentation isn't confusing and stupid because the author is bad at explaining things - what if the process documentation is stupid because the process is stupid and needs to be changed. Another approach to this kind of thing is to reverse the sequence of "do it", "document it" steps and draft a rough version of the documentation up-front as part of an initial design, while it is cheaper to change the process or system, before work is done to implement it and roll it out.
- 4y ago