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It's not nonsense, read my replies below and the upcoming blog post next week. It's on a scale I've never seen before.

wokwokwok 4y ago
I’m really sorry you feel that way; I honestly respect the work you do and I’m convinced you’re not correct about this… but hey; you’re deeper into it than me. Maybe there is? I don’t know. …but, please also stop and read what I said. You asked for specific examples where your interactions are causing problems. this is it. Don’t post like this. You’re accusing people of attacking you, attacking other people (for example your comments on the author of Zig below). This is what causes people to have bad interactions with you.
- amedvednikov 4y ago
  So people calling me a fraud and a scammer are not attacking me?
  - scoutt 4y ago
    I don't know you, but I think you should PR-manage the situation without being confrontational. Writing a blog post about it just invites the trolls to write an answer! Do you know how many "X is better than Rust", "X language is trash" articles are out there? Just be passive-aggressive like "Hey! thank you for the bug report and for taking the time to make V a better language! We'll check these errors!". Dismiss them and go your road.
    - amedvednikov 4y ago
      It's funny because in the previous discussion I got lots of "what's the problem? fix the bugs and publish your own post going through the points in this one".
      - scoutt 4y ago
        I think it’s OK to write a blog post about your progress, with a positive attitude. A very different thing is to write a blog post refuting a troll. “Don’t feed the troll” is as old as the internet.
  - bragr 4y ago
    Whataboutism is not a defense of our your own behavior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
    - hunterb123 4y ago
      Whataboutism doesn't apply here, you're using it wrong...
- Tozen 4y ago
  I think you don't fully understand or know of the scale of the attacks and trolling carried out by detractors and competitors. Which includes hiding what they do and their true purposes, and attempting to instigate and influence others to perpetuate attacks, drama, and smears for them. There is also the gaslighting whenever people recognize some of their actions, recognize their throwaway or troll accounts, or against attempts to call them out. This includes doing such on other websites, not just HN.
eterps 4y ago
I sincerely hope you reconsider posting it. Even if you're a 100% right from your POV, it will still give off a negative energy and hurt your project. I think @wokwokwok has a good point, why not just focus on fixing bugs and building stuff instead?
- amedvednikov 4y ago
  Because these articles are meant to stay for years. People will keep linking to them and say "didn't you see? V uses shell to do http requests! what a joke" This most recent article by an anonymous author had all of the issues fixed within several days, but it wasn't updated, it'll stay like this forever, as planned.
  - eterps 4y ago
    I do understand that that must be frustrating. What I don't understand is why you think writing a blog post about it will have a positive effect on your project.
yakorevivan 4y ago
Hey.... even if people are attacking V-lang, don't worry. Any good thing that disrupts existing "kings" gets thrashed initially. That's human behavior. Ignore it. But, if lead dev replies in ways that seems offensive, or attacking, that is something that actually creates permanent dent in the adoption. Even if you are right in saying what you are saying, it still matters, a lot, to be polite. I'm someone who really really wants V to succeed. I love what rust is able to achieve, but not the complexity it brings. V-lang gives me what I want from a language. Language is beautiful, now it's your turn to be the same. Ignore the trolls. Many of them are paid. And best wishes.... keep the good work. It never goes in-vain.

I’m really sorry you feel that way; I honestly respect the work you do and I’m convinced you’re not correct about this… but hey; you’re deeper into it than me. Maybe there is? I don’t know. …but, please also stop and read what I said. You asked for specific examples where your interactions are causing problems. this is it. Don’t post like this. You’re accusing people of attacking you, attacking other people (for example your comments on the author of Zig below). This is what causes people to have bad interactions with you.

amedvednikov 4y ago
So people calling me a fraud and a scammer are not attacking me?
- scoutt 4y ago
  I don't know you, but I think you should PR-manage the situation without being confrontational. Writing a blog post about it just invites the trolls to write an answer! Do you know how many "X is better than Rust", "X language is trash" articles are out there? Just be passive-aggressive like "Hey! thank you for the bug report and for taking the time to make V a better language! We'll check these errors!". Dismiss them and go your road.
  - amedvednikov 4y ago
    It's funny because in the previous discussion I got lots of "what's the problem? fix the bugs and publish your own post going through the points in this one".
    - scoutt 4y ago
      I think it’s OK to write a blog post about your progress, with a positive attitude. A very different thing is to write a blog post refuting a troll. “Don’t feed the troll” is as old as the internet.
- bragr 4y ago
  Whataboutism is not a defense of our your own behavior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
  - hunterb123 4y ago
    Whataboutism doesn't apply here, you're using it wrong...
Tozen 4y ago
I think you don't fully understand or know of the scale of the attacks and trolling carried out by detractors and competitors. Which includes hiding what they do and their true purposes, and attempting to instigate and influence others to perpetuate attacks, drama, and smears for them. There is also the gaslighting whenever people recognize some of their actions, recognize their throwaway or troll accounts, or against attempts to call them out. This includes doing such on other websites, not just HN.

eterps 4y ago

I sincerely hope you reconsider posting it. Even if you're a 100% right from your POV, it will still give off a negative energy and hurt your project. I think @wokwokwok has a good point, why not just focus on fixing bugs and building stuff instead?

amedvednikov 4y ago
Because these articles are meant to stay for years. People will keep linking to them and say "didn't you see? V uses shell to do http requests! what a joke" This most recent article by an anonymous author had all of the issues fixed within several days, but it wasn't updated, it'll stay like this forever, as planned.
- eterps 4y ago
  I do understand that that must be frustrating. What I don't understand is why you think writing a blog post about it will have a positive effect on your project.

yakorevivan 4y ago

Hey.... even if people are attacking V-lang, don't worry. Any good thing that disrupts existing "kings" gets thrashed initially. That's human behavior. Ignore it. But, if lead dev replies in ways that seems offensive, or attacking, that is something that actually creates permanent dent in the adoption. Even if you are right in saying what you are saying, it still matters, a lot, to be polite. I'm someone who really really wants V to succeed. I love what rust is able to achieve, but not the complexity it brings. V-lang gives me what I want from a language. Language is beautiful, now it's your turn to be the same. Ignore the trolls. Many of them are paid. And best wishes.... keep the good work. It never goes in-vain.