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There are coordinated efforts on discords to brigade such threads, there are entire new accounts created just to reply to each of my comments negatively (luckil

There are coordinated efforts on discords to brigade such threads, there are entire new accounts created just to reply to each of my comments negatively (luckily just today HN banned such an account), this very post about V 0.3 was mass flagged 3 times and removed from the front page 3 times, there are articles that take a simple bug fixed by a 3 line commit, and make a huge deal out of it spending a month writing an attacking post. Who would spend a month to write an article about a type checker bug?

colejohnson66 4y ago
Simply, V is very divisive. So, some people who peruse HN but don't have an account will see a V post, and make an account just to comment. Humans are just irrational.
- amedvednikov 4y ago
  I don't creating an account and monitoring my comments and replying to them with attacks and trolling for 3 years is "just commenting".
  - colejohnson66 4y ago
    There's definitely trolls; I wasn't trying to imply otherwise. There's always going to be people who think your project is stupid, and it'll only get worse as the project grows. I think the best solution is to just ignore them.
    - amedvednikov 4y ago
      Luckily in this case the amount of trolling goes down as the project grows :) There are now V contributors who used to troll V back in the day.
- hunterb123 4y ago
  > Simply, V is very divisive. How is an open-source programming language divisive? Seems the people brigading are toxic and divisive, not the language or it's maintainers.
  - amedvednikov 4y ago
    Exactly! Thank you :)
InefficientRed 4y ago
> Who would spend a month to write an article about a type checker bug? I have no horse in this race, have never heard of V, and frankly find the emotional charge in this comment section extraordinary... odd. But I am a PL person. Bugs in the type checker are pretty unambiguously a big deal. I totally understand why the examples in the blog post are alarming. The point isn't that they can be fixed by 3 lines; the point is that there were obvious soundness bugs in the type checker implementation and the language designer's attitude seems to be "NBD if the patch is small enough". Given the post and reaction, I would not be surprised if there are many more soundness bugs lurking. So, that's an issue if I want to use the language for anything serious. That said, it looks like a hobby language in its early stages of approaching maturity, so the degree of divisiveness is seriously confusing. My reaction to all the drama is closer to "yup some soundness bugs; type systems get subtle fast, what a great thing to learn from" than "I hope V dies / the V critics are terrible". I'm guessing there are weird personality/politics at play, but don't care enough to find out. Anyways. I liked the Android examples.

colejohnson66 4y ago

Simply, V is very divisive. So, some people who peruse HN but don't have an account will see a V post, and make an account just to comment. Humans are just irrational.

amedvednikov 4y ago
I don't creating an account and monitoring my comments and replying to them with attacks and trolling for 3 years is "just commenting".
- colejohnson66 4y ago
  There's definitely trolls; I wasn't trying to imply otherwise. There's always going to be people who think your project is stupid, and it'll only get worse as the project grows. I think the best solution is to just ignore them.
  - amedvednikov 4y ago
    Luckily in this case the amount of trolling goes down as the project grows :) There are now V contributors who used to troll V back in the day.
hunterb123 4y ago
> Simply, V is very divisive. How is an open-source programming language divisive? Seems the people brigading are toxic and divisive, not the language or it's maintainers.
- amedvednikov 4y ago
  Exactly! Thank you :)

InefficientRed 4y ago

> Who would spend a month to write an article about a type checker bug? I have no horse in this race, have never heard of V, and frankly find the emotional charge in this comment section extraordinary... odd. But I am a PL person. Bugs in the type checker are pretty unambiguously a big deal. I totally understand why the examples in the blog post are alarming. The point isn't that they can be fixed by 3 lines; the point is that there were obvious soundness bugs in the type checker implementation and the language designer's attitude seems to be "NBD if the patch is small enough". Given the post and reaction, I would not be surprised if there are many more soundness bugs lurking. So, that's an issue if I want to use the language for anything serious. That said, it looks like a hobby language in its early stages of approaching maturity, so the degree of divisiveness is seriously confusing. My reaction to all the drama is closer to "yup some soundness bugs; type systems get subtle fast, what a great thing to learn from" than "I hope V dies / the V critics are terrible". I'm guessing there are weird personality/politics at play, but don't care enough to find out. Anyways. I liked the Android examples.