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V has "enemies" because that's how they respond to people giving them constructive criticism and questioning their claims. Most authors would relish of thorough

by bragr 4y ago

V has "enemies" because that's how they respond to people giving them constructive criticism and questioning their claims. Most authors would relish of thorough technical analysis of where their issues where so they could improve their new language and compiler, but not V it seems. They mostly seem to deflect with denial or claims the issues were 'nothingburgers', but if that's the case, it should be trivial to offer a rebuttal in the form of a blog post, but instead we get ad hominems and conspiracy theories.

hunterb123 4y ago
The "nothingburger" you quoted is a single word you took from a reply chain in which amedvednikov explained the 800 byte "memory leak" was actually just GC overhead and expected. So it wasn't a memory leak, it is GC overhead, hence it being labeled as a "nothingburger". What specifically do you feel hasn't been resolved or addressed properly?
- bragr 4y ago
  >What specifically do you feel hasn't been resolved or addressed properly? The author responding constructively to criticism. The bugs may be fixed, but if the author can't calmly engage and link to the fixed commit, or give evidence that, for example, everything compiled with GCC leaks those 800 bytes, well that's a major red flag about the project management of V.
amedvednikov 4y ago
Completely not true. We welcome criticism and feedback, we even have a topic with 800 messages called "What don't you like about V / what would you like to be changed?" https://github.com/vlang/v/discussions/7610 https://github.com/vlang/v/discussions/7610 Wishing V to die and making false accusations is not "constructive criticism". There will be a blog post next week.
- mihaigalos 4y ago
  The community isn't too friendly, I'm sorry. In the cited thread, I've deleted my contribution because of the tone of the discussion (passive-agressive know-it-alls with smirk emojis): https://github.com/vlang/v/discussions/7610#discussioncomment-2243399 https://github.com/vlang/v/discussions/7610#discussioncommen... Is this how you welcome people to the community? I enjoy V and contributed several PRs which got merged, but there's definitely an attitude problem there. I gave up contributions because of it.
  - amedvednikov 4y ago
    This user is not a member of the V team, and never contributed to the V project. He enjoys language development and submits his feedback and ideas, discusses other ideas etc. I do not work as a big censor and read every single of the thousands of messages, and I do not have time to do it.
    - mihaigalos 4y ago
      That was a rhetorical question, I am not implying you should do anything. Thank you for the transparency.
  - Tozen 4y ago
    Out of curiosity, I checked the discussion in which you referred to by link. The person in question is not a developer or contributor, but appears to be passionate about the discussion. I don't think it's bad to have a difference of opinion, even among good friends. In addition, we can't always be right on every issue, and sometimes we have to "agree, to disagree". The other person in that discussion on V's GitHub even apologized for appearing harsh, seems to have begged you to come back, and gave you a compliment. Also deleting your part of the discussion also robs other readers from evaluating the full merits of your side. There will usually be people on your side of the discussion as well or see your point of view. I think you will find that overall and from what I've seen, people in the V community can be appreciative and welcoming, but like anywhere its a mix of different personalities and characters.
gompertz 4y ago
Just like work, and in life, you're going to come across a myriad of people who handle criticism in different ways. Be it for cultural differences, deductive reasoning differences, even down to childhood upbringing, you know the story... We all do. It's 2022. Not that you've done so; but others seem to reciprocate back with bullying, and with twice the force of any denials. A lot of people need to get the wisdom that others are different from them, and simply move on. The same threads, blogs, comments have come up on every single V post - living rent free in many people's heads.

by bragr 4y ago

hunterb123 4y ago

The "nothingburger" you quoted is a single word you took from a reply chain in which amedvednikov explained the 800 byte "memory leak" was actually just GC overhead and expected. So it wasn't a memory leak, it is GC overhead, hence it being labeled as a "nothingburger". What specifically do you feel hasn't been resolved or addressed properly?

bragr 4y ago
>What specifically do you feel hasn't been resolved or addressed properly? The author responding constructively to criticism. The bugs may be fixed, but if the author can't calmly engage and link to the fixed commit, or give evidence that, for example, everything compiled with GCC leaks those 800 bytes, well that's a major red flag about the project management of V.

amedvednikov 4y ago

Completely not true. We welcome criticism and feedback, we even have a topic with 800 messages called "What don't you like about V / what would you like to be changed?" https://github.com/vlang/v/discussions/7610 https://github.com/vlang/v/discussions/7610 Wishing V to die and making false accusations is not "constructive criticism". There will be a blog post next week.

mihaigalos 4y ago
The community isn't too friendly, I'm sorry. In the cited thread, I've deleted my contribution because of the tone of the discussion (passive-agressive know-it-alls with smirk emojis): https://github.com/vlang/v/discussions/7610#discussioncomment-2243399 https://github.com/vlang/v/discussions/7610#discussioncommen... Is this how you welcome people to the community? I enjoy V and contributed several PRs which got merged, but there's definitely an attitude problem there. I gave up contributions because of it.
- amedvednikov 4y ago
  This user is not a member of the V team, and never contributed to the V project. He enjoys language development and submits his feedback and ideas, discusses other ideas etc. I do not work as a big censor and read every single of the thousands of messages, and I do not have time to do it.
  - mihaigalos 4y ago
    That was a rhetorical question, I am not implying you should do anything. Thank you for the transparency.
- Tozen 4y ago
  Out of curiosity, I checked the discussion in which you referred to by link. The person in question is not a developer or contributor, but appears to be passionate about the discussion. I don't think it's bad to have a difference of opinion, even among good friends. In addition, we can't always be right on every issue, and sometimes we have to "agree, to disagree". The other person in that discussion on V's GitHub even apologized for appearing harsh, seems to have begged you to come back, and gave you a compliment. Also deleting your part of the discussion also robs other readers from evaluating the full merits of your side. There will usually be people on your side of the discussion as well or see your point of view. I think you will find that overall and from what I've seen, people in the V community can be appreciative and welcoming, but like anywhere its a mix of different personalities and characters.

gompertz 4y ago

Just like work, and in life, you're going to come across a myriad of people who handle criticism in different ways. Be it for cultural differences, deductive reasoning differences, even down to childhood upbringing, you know the story... We all do. It's 2022. Not that you've done so; but others seem to reciprocate back with bullying, and with twice the force of any denials. A lot of people need to get the wisdom that others are different from them, and simply move on. The same threads, blogs, comments have come up on every single V post - living rent free in many people's heads.