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> Just as with the real world, people need to develop the right habits to stay safe. Just as with the real world, you don't have a right to a broadcasting plat

> Just as with the real world, people need to develop the right habits to stay safe. Just as with the real world, you don't have a right to a broadcasting platform for anything you wish.

mrtksn 4y ago
You actually have that right in any sane country. The limitations are on the frequency you can broadcast or the volume if you do your broadcast through sound systems. Actually, only on extremely crazy dictatorships you will have police storming you before you finish your broadcast. On most places, you can be sued but the police wont try to silence you as if your words are a spell.
- framapotari 4y ago
  Where did the police come in? We were talking about Youtube selecting what to make available on their platform. Is that analogous to the police stifling your speech in your view?
  - mrtksn 4y ago
    Yes, it is in the same effect due to the ubiquity of the platform. IMHO, platforms with that significant user base should be regulated as utility.
    - lancesells 4y ago
      So you think all guidelines should be eliminated? https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9288567?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9288567?hl=en
      - mrtksn 4y ago
        Guidelines on the nature of the content? Yes. Things harmful for the platforms itself? Removing stuff like spam is fair IMHO.
    - framapotari 4y ago
      You don't want private entities making decisions on what content they host on their platforms, but you do want the government to make that decision (host everything) and force those private entities to abide by that decision under threat of penalty? And that is how we avoid dictatorships in your view?
      - mrtksn 4y ago
        The government has a due process, if the government doesn't have a fair due process you change them until you have a fair due process. You change the governments by election and if that's not available by burning down their stuff. Companies don't have a fair due process. Google is infamous for not providing a human response for their algorithmic censorship. You can Google it.
effingwewt 4y ago
Of course you do, as long as it's not illegal. People forget even TV had public access, which could get pretty ridiculous back in the day. Your argument is old, tired, and nonsensical.
- framapotari 4y ago
  Where is this right to a broadcasting platform to publish anything you wish as long as it is legal enumerated?
  - mrtksn 4y ago
    Depending on your dictatorship, it will be different everywhere. In free countries you just broadcast. It's like the right to eat pancakes, it's not specifically regulated. Of course there are rules of what you are allowed to do or not, for example you can't broadcast in specific frequencies because those are licensed and if you like to do that you need to purchase a license. If you broadcast using loudspeakers, you will have regulations on the loudness of it. The commercial license might come with its own limitations. Depending on your location, you might get into trouble if you take advertisements for drugs or cigarettes or alcohol. You can lose your license over it but your broadcasting equipment wont try stopping you from doing it.
    - framapotari 4y ago
      > In free countries you just broadcast Sure, and anyone who is banned on YouTube can still "just broadcast". Their rights were not harmed in any way. To borrow your analogy, you may have the right to eat pancakes but you don't have the right to eat at IHOP. You can be banned from every pancake selling diner in town yet you can still eat pancakes. No one has stopped you from eating pancakes.
      - mrtksn 4y ago
        I can't agree with this one. Due to the different nature of the mediums(radio waves v.s. internet platform) you can't just broadcast because unlike radio waves Youtube will refuse to carry your signal. That's why I advocate for Youtube be impartial to the content and carry whatever the users put in it. If there's a problem with the content, let it be solved by the parties impacted. Again, unlike radio, with internet platforms each platform is in its own reality. With radio, when you broadcast your signal reaches everyone indiscriminately. On the internet you broadcast into platforms as if they are different universes with different populations.

> Just as with the real world, people need to develop the right habits to stay safe. Just as with the real world, you don't have a right to a broadcasting platform for anything you wish.

mrtksn 4y ago

You actually have that right in any sane country. The limitations are on the frequency you can broadcast or the volume if you do your broadcast through sound systems. Actually, only on extremely crazy dictatorships you will have police storming you before you finish your broadcast. On most places, you can be sued but the police wont try to silence you as if your words are a spell.

framapotari 4y ago
Where did the police come in? We were talking about Youtube selecting what to make available on their platform. Is that analogous to the police stifling your speech in your view?
- mrtksn 4y ago
  Yes, it is in the same effect due to the ubiquity of the platform. IMHO, platforms with that significant user base should be regulated as utility.
  - lancesells 4y ago
    So you think all guidelines should be eliminated? https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9288567?hl=en https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9288567?hl=en
    - mrtksn 4y ago
      Guidelines on the nature of the content? Yes. Things harmful for the platforms itself? Removing stuff like spam is fair IMHO.
  - framapotari 4y ago
    You don't want private entities making decisions on what content they host on their platforms, but you do want the government to make that decision (host everything) and force those private entities to abide by that decision under threat of penalty? And that is how we avoid dictatorships in your view?
    - mrtksn 4y ago
      The government has a due process, if the government doesn't have a fair due process you change them until you have a fair due process. You change the governments by election and if that's not available by burning down their stuff. Companies don't have a fair due process. Google is infamous for not providing a human response for their algorithmic censorship. You can Google it.

effingwewt 4y ago

Of course you do, as long as it's not illegal. People forget even TV had public access, which could get pretty ridiculous back in the day. Your argument is old, tired, and nonsensical.

framapotari 4y ago
Where is this right to a broadcasting platform to publish anything you wish as long as it is legal enumerated?
- mrtksn 4y ago
  Depending on your dictatorship, it will be different everywhere. In free countries you just broadcast. It's like the right to eat pancakes, it's not specifically regulated. Of course there are rules of what you are allowed to do or not, for example you can't broadcast in specific frequencies because those are licensed and if you like to do that you need to purchase a license. If you broadcast using loudspeakers, you will have regulations on the loudness of it. The commercial license might come with its own limitations. Depending on your location, you might get into trouble if you take advertisements for drugs or cigarettes or alcohol. You can lose your license over it but your broadcasting equipment wont try stopping you from doing it.
  - framapotari 4y ago
    > In free countries you just broadcast Sure, and anyone who is banned on YouTube can still "just broadcast". Their rights were not harmed in any way. To borrow your analogy, you may have the right to eat pancakes but you don't have the right to eat at IHOP. You can be banned from every pancake selling diner in town yet you can still eat pancakes. No one has stopped you from eating pancakes.
    - mrtksn 4y ago
      I can't agree with this one. Due to the different nature of the mediums(radio waves v.s. internet platform) you can't just broadcast because unlike radio waves Youtube will refuse to carry your signal. That's why I advocate for Youtube be impartial to the content and carry whatever the users put in it. If there's a problem with the content, let it be solved by the parties impacted. Again, unlike radio, with internet platforms each platform is in its own reality. With radio, when you broadcast your signal reaches everyone indiscriminately. On the internet you broadcast into platforms as if they are different universes with different populations.