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It’s easy to solve problems in the lab. Getting it out in the real world with mass manufactured products is the hard part. You cannot scale FSD with high precis

It’s easy to solve problems in the lab. Getting it out in the real world with mass manufactured products is the hard part. You cannot scale FSD with high precision mapping and expensive cameras worldwide. Every time there’s a road update or repair, those maps need to be updated. If you seriously think Tesla is ignorant here, you are not paying any attention. Elon musk’s SpaceX has patents on LiDAR they’ve developed for their rockets, it’s not like they don’t use them and are not aware of their strengths and weaknesses

ra7 4y ago
Robotaxis are out in the real world now. They’re not just in the labs. Your information about mapping is highly outdated. The cars are all self mapping and have the ability to update maps in real time when they detect changes. I think you are the one not paying attention.
- sixQuarks 4y ago
  Yeah keep dreaming. I’d like to see you put a Waymo car or any other “self driving” car in a city that hasn’t been mapped and see how it does. And The cars do not update maps in real time, they send any changes they find and the company updates the database after reviewing. If they were able to update in real time then why need a HD map in the first place?
  - ra7 4y ago
    They 100% map and distribute changes to the whole fleet in real time. Waymo and others have talked about it multiple times. It seems you just don’t want to believe it because that would mean your biggest talking point going out of the window.
    - sixQuarks 4y ago
      Send me these talks. I genuinely want to see it, I’m willing to change my opinion on HD maps if it’s true.
      - ra7 4y ago
        Waymo blog talking about change detection and automated information sharing — https://blog.waymo.com/2020/09/the-waymo-driver-handbook-mapping.html https://blog.waymo.com/2020/09/the-waymo-driver-handbook-map... Waymo patent portfolio related to mapping — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uf-5cimWzA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uf-5cimWzA Cruise blog about detecting and rolling out map changes "in minutes" — https://medium.com/cruise/hd-maps-self-driving-cars-b6444720021c https://medium.com/cruise/hd-maps-self-driving-cars-b6444720...
        sixQuarks 4y ago
        As I suspected, I was correct. In the first article you link to, it specially states that when a car encounters something it doesn’t recognize, it reroutes. Why would a car have to reroute if it can just update the map? What you’re referring to is that the car will send a notice and update the fleet to avoid that area. Actual changes to the maps including crosswalk changes and other permanent structures require review and update. It is not done automatically. ————— From the article: If a change in the roadway is detected, our vehicle can identify it, reroute itself, and automatically share this information with our operations center and the rest of the fleet in real time. We can also identify more permanent changes to the driving environment, such as a new crosswalk, an extra vehicle lane squeezed into a wide road, or a new travel restriction, and quickly and efficiently update our maps so that our fleet has the most accurate information about the world around it at all times.
        ra7 4y ago
        Why did you not quote the next paragraph from the post? > *We’ve automated most of that process to ensure it’s efficient and scalable*. Every time our cars detect changes on the road, they automatically upload the data, which gets shared with the rest of the fleet after, in some cases, being additionally checked by our mapping team. They are literally saying they've automated most of that process and that was 2 years ago. That's completely opposite to what you are claiming. If you don't want to believe they can do it, suit yourself.

ra7 4y ago

Robotaxis are out in the real world now. They’re not just in the labs. Your information about mapping is highly outdated. The cars are all self mapping and have the ability to update maps in real time when they detect changes. I think you are the one not paying attention.

sixQuarks 4y ago
Yeah keep dreaming. I’d like to see you put a Waymo car or any other “self driving” car in a city that hasn’t been mapped and see how it does. And The cars do not update maps in real time, they send any changes they find and the company updates the database after reviewing. If they were able to update in real time then why need a HD map in the first place?
- ra7 4y ago
  They 100% map and distribute changes to the whole fleet in real time. Waymo and others have talked about it multiple times. It seems you just don’t want to believe it because that would mean your biggest talking point going out of the window.
  - sixQuarks 4y ago
    Send me these talks. I genuinely want to see it, I’m willing to change my opinion on HD maps if it’s true.
    - ra7 4y ago
      Waymo blog talking about change detection and automated information sharing — https://blog.waymo.com/2020/09/the-waymo-driver-handbook-mapping.html https://blog.waymo.com/2020/09/the-waymo-driver-handbook-map... Waymo patent portfolio related to mapping — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uf-5cimWzA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uf-5cimWzA Cruise blog about detecting and rolling out map changes "in minutes" — https://medium.com/cruise/hd-maps-self-driving-cars-b6444720021c https://medium.com/cruise/hd-maps-self-driving-cars-b6444720...
      - sixQuarks 4y ago
        As I suspected, I was correct. In the first article you link to, it specially states that when a car encounters something it doesn’t recognize, it reroutes. Why would a car have to reroute if it can just update the map? What you’re referring to is that the car will send a notice and update the fleet to avoid that area. Actual changes to the maps including crosswalk changes and other permanent structures require review and update. It is not done automatically. ————— From the article: If a change in the roadway is detected, our vehicle can identify it, reroute itself, and automatically share this information with our operations center and the rest of the fleet in real time. We can also identify more permanent changes to the driving environment, such as a new crosswalk, an extra vehicle lane squeezed into a wide road, or a new travel restriction, and quickly and efficiently update our maps so that our fleet has the most accurate information about the world around it at all times.
        ra7 4y ago
        Why did you not quote the next paragraph from the post? > *We’ve automated most of that process to ensure it’s efficient and scalable*. Every time our cars detect changes on the road, they automatically upload the data, which gets shared with the rest of the fleet after, in some cases, being additionally checked by our mapping team. They are literally saying they've automated most of that process and that was 2 years ago. That's completely opposite to what you are claiming. If you don't want to believe they can do it, suit yourself.