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> In fact, its a of huge benefit to fringe communities Anything that is "fringe" doesn't move the needle in any meaningful way in terms of global quality of li

> In fact, its a of huge benefit to fringe communities Anything that is "fringe" doesn't move the needle in any meaningful way in terms of global quality of life. Musk companies are synonym for fringe. You know what's not fringe? Pfizer, Moderna, Exxon, Shell, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, BP, JPMorgan, HSBC, VW, Toyota...you know the companies that you see everywhere and that everybody uses. They have the bad habit of doing it quietly instead of monopolizing the airwaves like mr.Musk does with his empty promises about the far future and pie-in-the-sky tweets. When you move the needle in terms of quality of life on a global scale you don't need to fool people telling about how you are gonna do so in the far future because duh you are already doing it today.

panick21_ 4y ago
Yeah manufacturing companies that have existed for much longer are more likely to have sold more products so you see those products far more often. Amazing, how did you come up with that insight? And internet companies are of course different in terms of how easy it is to reach people. Tesla went from a few 1000s to now more then 10% of what Toyota does while producing far more next generation BEV then both of them together. Tesla are by far the most common BEV on the streets. In terms of yearly production they are getting close to companies like BMW who have 100 years of history. And they are continuing to grow for the next couple years at least and will end up being one of the larger automotive groups on the plant. While being the largest produce of grid batteries. And yes actually improving the lives of 1% of global people who live in places not easily reached with traditional infrastructure is actually a very large achievement for any single company. Not to mention changing the airline and shipping industry. And that isn't all that SpaceX does by a long shot either. > quietly instead of monopolizing the airwaves Given OneWeb, Kupiter and many other planed constellation are managed to share them and there is no monopoly at all. > When you move the needle in terms of quality of life on a global scale you don't need to fool people telling about how you are gonna do so in the far future because duh you are already doing it today. So nobody should ever start thinking about improving global quality of life because if they were going to do it, they would already do it. Great way to approach live. And given the absurd amount of advertisement and political influences the company you mentions buy and their long track record of breaking law your claim that those companies don't need to 'fool' people is hilarious. VW didn't need to fool people, the Disel-scandal never happened.
- Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
  > So nobody should ever start thinking about improving global quality of life because if they were going to do it, they would already do it. Great way to approach live. Thinking? Yes. Broadcasting and oversaturating the airwaves to fool people into believing you are doing way more than what you are actually doing if you look at the raw numbers, that's a totally different thing and also the problem that I have with the whole enterprise. > VW didn't need to fool people, the Disel-scandal never happened. VW committed fraud on consumers' behalf so that they'd have a cheaper and more reliable car instead of a more expensive and less durable ones due to the environmental regulations which raise costs to build a diesel engine (and also dramatically reduce their lifespan which can easily reach 500k miles if you get rid of all the envioronmental stuff). Huge difference, in my view VW is out there taking one for their clients so that they can sidestep ridiculous environmental regulations and enjoy a greater quality of life. Tesla is out there to screw their clients as much as possible with faulty features, an autopilot which crashes into things and misaligned panels all around which significantly deteriorate their clients' quality of life. VW takes a bullet for you, whereas Tesla pushes you in the line of fire to use you as a human shield. Huge difference.

panick21_ 4y ago

Yeah manufacturing companies that have existed for much longer are more likely to have sold more products so you see those products far more often. Amazing, how did you come up with that insight? And internet companies are of course different in terms of how easy it is to reach people. Tesla went from a few 1000s to now more then 10% of what Toyota does while producing far more next generation BEV then both of them together. Tesla are by far the most common BEV on the streets. In terms of yearly production they are getting close to companies like BMW who have 100 years of history. And they are continuing to grow for the next couple years at least and will end up being one of the larger automotive groups on the plant. While being the largest produce of grid batteries. And yes actually improving the lives of 1% of global people who live in places not easily reached with traditional infrastructure is actually a very large achievement for any single company. Not to mention changing the airline and shipping industry. And that isn't all that SpaceX does by a long shot either. > quietly instead of monopolizing the airwaves Given OneWeb, Kupiter and many other planed constellation are managed to share them and there is no monopoly at all. > When you move the needle in terms of quality of life on a global scale you don't need to fool people telling about how you are gonna do so in the far future because duh you are already doing it today. So nobody should ever start thinking about improving global quality of life because if they were going to do it, they would already do it. Great way to approach live. And given the absurd amount of advertisement and political influences the company you mentions buy and their long track record of breaking law your claim that those companies don't need to 'fool' people is hilarious. VW didn't need to fool people, the Disel-scandal never happened.

Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
> So nobody should ever start thinking about improving global quality of life because if they were going to do it, they would already do it. Great way to approach live. Thinking? Yes. Broadcasting and oversaturating the airwaves to fool people into believing you are doing way more than what you are actually doing if you look at the raw numbers, that's a totally different thing and also the problem that I have with the whole enterprise. > VW didn't need to fool people, the Disel-scandal never happened. VW committed fraud on consumers' behalf so that they'd have a cheaper and more reliable car instead of a more expensive and less durable ones due to the environmental regulations which raise costs to build a diesel engine (and also dramatically reduce their lifespan which can easily reach 500k miles if you get rid of all the envioronmental stuff). Huge difference, in my view VW is out there taking one for their clients so that they can sidestep ridiculous environmental regulations and enjoy a greater quality of life. Tesla is out there to screw their clients as much as possible with faulty features, an autopilot which crashes into things and misaligned panels all around which significantly deteriorate their clients' quality of life. VW takes a bullet for you, whereas Tesla pushes you in the line of fire to use you as a human shield. Huge difference.