> They would start out, reluctantly, "He says X, Y, and Z ... [long pause] but he's wrong! " I mean, a lot of people have trouble clearly articulating an argum

> They would start out, reluctantly, "He says X, Y, and Z ... [long pause] but he's wrong! " I mean, a lot of people have trouble clearly articulating an argument for their own position, much less somebody else's. It's a skill like riding a bike or throwing a ball -- something that seems natural once you've had some practice, but not something we're born with. (NB I'm not talking about being correct; you can be right and know you're right without being able to articulate it well.) If anyone wants some practice, I found the book "The Logic of Real Arguments" by Alec Fisher [1] really fun and useful. [1] https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Logic_of_Real_Arguments/Q2a_RtDZUGgC?hl=en&gbpv=0 https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Logic_of_Real_Arg...