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What's a good alternative? Preferably not in the US, preferably not biased towards (or against) any political agenda.

by pdenton 4y ago

cassianoleal 4y ago
Radicle? https://radicle.xyz/ https://radicle.xyz/
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- notpushkin 4y ago
  That's one bad way to use blockchain, huh
Comevius 4y ago
https://codeberg.org/ https://codeberg.org/
- mananaysiempre 4y ago
  This does not nearly rise to GitHub levels of badness, of course, but reading their ToS thread[1] leaves me with an icky feeling. [1] https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/18 https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/18
- cookiengineer 4y ago
  Hosting your code where all the nazi/racist/sexist assholes from imageboards are doesn't make your project shine.
  - dementiapatien 4y ago
    This website appears to be based in Europe, is that where all the imageboard trolls live?
eline44 4y ago
Self-hosted gitea[1], or find a friend (or friend group?) who already has one, and ask for an account. [1] https://gitea.io/ https://gitea.io/
chriswarbo 4y ago
Moving repos between hosts is trivial; e.g. I keep bare clones on my laptop, on an AWS server, and GitHub; with post-receive hooks that keep them all in sync. GitHub's appeal is all the add-on functionality that's not actually stored in the git repo itself; e.g. Issues, Pull Requests, etc. That can't be migrated away easily. Anyone who (a) has concerns about GitHub (monoculture, Microsoft, Copilot, whatever), and (b) relies on such add-on functionality, should look into moving that metadata into their repos. To give Microsoft some credit, GitHub Actions already does this (via YAML files in a .github/workflows folder) For my personal projects, I use a simple program called Artemis to manage issues, which just stores maildir files in a hidden folder: http://www.chriswarbo.net/blog/2017-06-14-artemis.html http://www.chriswarbo.net/blog/2017-06-14-artemis.html
- pizza234 4y ago
  GitLab imports issues and pull requests, with some caveats: https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/import/github.html#prerequisites https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/import/github.html#p....
  - bornfreddy 4y ago
    GitLab UI is full of warts though. Since they are there for 5+ years I doubt they will be fixed soon. I am talking about little things - weird button-with-dropdown to start a comment/discussion on a MR, infuriating emojis (no I don't want to put a sign :man-kissing-a-man: just because I entered a smiley) and similar. It looks like either their devs are not using the product or any change is hampered by red tape. Still, we use it, but try to use just core functionality (git, CI, issues, wiki) and avoid anything else. Always wanted to try gitea, maybe now it's the time.
- ghostoftesla 4y ago
  Have a look at Gitea. You can run it as a podman rootless container off the box on your local machine. The functionality is there, the community refuses to switch. There people who still have the idea that gh is still whatvit was 10 years ago.
blueflow 4y ago
You don't need hosting to use git.
- MonkeyClub 4y ago
  > You don't need hosting to use git. This, 100%. Git is useful for all your textual versioning needs - but your friends don't really need access to all your git repos. The whole idea of putting your whole life on GitHub is a dev's equivalent of putting all your life on Facebook - an excellent idea, as far as Microsoft and Facebook are concerned. If you can't sell ads to coders, then perhaps you can sell them recycled code. But yeah perhaps I'm hatin' :) Speaking of GH alternatives, though, the Tildeverse has https://tildegit.org/ https://tildegit.org/ https://tildegit.org/ https://tildegit.org/.
  - junon 4y ago
    Except for when GH wasn't owned by Microsoft for almost a decade...
    - xtracto 4y ago
      The problem with that is that at that time GH was surviving with VC money. That money entered with the promise that at some point GH would monetize their users. The "paid account" model wasn't enough for them, And now that Microsoft owns them it's also not enough. They've found another way to monetize all that code. It surprises me though that Microsoft hasn't added a Stack overflow like panel to github. More. People are jumping between GH for the code AZ md StackOverflow for the support.
- npteljes 4y ago
  Versioning the source code is just one of the many things people use GitHub for.
doublerabbit 4y ago
Onedev is what I use for my personal code. Selfhosted too: https://code.onedev.io/projects/160 https://code.onedev.io/projects/160
lapser 4y ago
As someone else has said, the alternative isn't to move away from GH (at least not for this specific issue). The alternative is to change your license to not allow for this.
- rhn_mk1 4y ago
  If you change your license to exclude this particular use, it's no longer Open Source (no restrictions on how it's used). If you change your license to forbid removing the license, then there's a good chance that it doesn't hold any legal power. Reason being that machine processing is allowed by copyright laws.
  - dento 4y ago
    > If you change your license to forbid removing the license, then there's a good chance that it doesn't hold any legal power. But almost all licenses already do that, for example the MIT license says: > The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
    - rhn_mk1 4y ago
      Therefore, changing the license is not going to improve matters at all. It's already forbidden, yet we are where we are.
pabs3 4y ago
The Conservancy post/site mention SourceHut (thats in the US though): https://sourcehut.org/ https://sourcehut.org/
- junon 4y ago
  Sourcehut is entirely self-hostable and Drew Devault is staunchly pro-FOSS. Nationality means little in this case.
- eesmith 4y ago
  At https://sfconservancy.org/GiveUpGitHub/ https://sfconservancy.org/GiveUpGitHub/ they also mention CodeBerg, which is hosted in the EU. https://codeberg.org/ https://codeberg.org/ It's git-only. FWIW, I chose SourceHut in part because they support git and Mercurial, and I'm a Mercurial user. [1] FWIW, the main SourceHut developer last year moved to the Netherlands. https://drewdevault.com/2022/03/24/Netherlands-update.html https://drewdevault.com/2022/03/24/Netherlands-update.html , and commented "I will be re-locating SourceHut, the incorporated entity, to the Netherlands, and gradually moving our infrastructure over the pond." [1] Also because SourceHut is whole-heartedly pro-free software, and also because I feel better being able to pay for a service than depend on the largess of a large company, and also because I don't like monocultures.
jacooper 4y ago
https://codeberg.org https://codeberg.org Its based in Europe and focuses on free and open source software. However I doubt I can really say its not politically charged.
rapnie 4y ago
Given the breadth of services Github provide, forge federation using ActivityPub (and ForgeFed extensions) open standards look very promising. A whole host of projects are working on it, and among them is Gitea. They will likely be the first to federate with other instances, so you can work on remote projects from your own environment. Here is an overview of the federation activities: https://forgefriends.org/blog/2022/06/30/2022-06-state-forge-federation/ https://forgefriends.org/blog/2022/06/30/2022-06-state-forge...

What's a good alternative? Preferably not in the US, preferably not biased towards (or against) any political agenda.

cassianoleal 4y ago

Radicle? https://radicle.xyz/ https://radicle.xyz/

deleted 4y ago
[deleted]
notpushkin 4y ago
That's one bad way to use blockchain, huh

Comevius 4y ago

https://codeberg.org/ https://codeberg.org/

mananaysiempre 4y ago
This does not nearly rise to GitHub levels of badness, of course, but reading their ToS thread[1] leaves me with an icky feeling. [1] https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/18 https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/pulls/18
cookiengineer 4y ago
Hosting your code where all the nazi/racist/sexist assholes from imageboards are doesn't make your project shine.
- dementiapatien 4y ago
  This website appears to be based in Europe, is that where all the imageboard trolls live?

eline44 4y ago

Self-hosted gitea[1], or find a friend (or friend group?) who already has one, and ask for an account. [1] https://gitea.io/ https://gitea.io/

chriswarbo 4y ago

Moving repos between hosts is trivial; e.g. I keep bare clones on my laptop, on an AWS server, and GitHub; with post-receive hooks that keep them all in sync. GitHub's appeal is all the add-on functionality that's not actually stored in the git repo itself; e.g. Issues, Pull Requests, etc. That can't be migrated away easily. Anyone who (a) has concerns about GitHub (monoculture, Microsoft, Copilot, whatever), and (b) relies on such add-on functionality, should look into moving that metadata into their repos. To give Microsoft some credit, GitHub Actions already does this (via YAML files in a .github/workflows folder) For my personal projects, I use a simple program called Artemis to manage issues, which just stores maildir files in a hidden folder: http://www.chriswarbo.net/blog/2017-06-14-artemis.html http://www.chriswarbo.net/blog/2017-06-14-artemis.html

pizza234 4y ago
GitLab imports issues and pull requests, with some caveats: https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/import/github.html#prerequisites https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/import/github.html#p....
- bornfreddy 4y ago
  GitLab UI is full of warts though. Since they are there for 5+ years I doubt they will be fixed soon. I am talking about little things - weird button-with-dropdown to start a comment/discussion on a MR, infuriating emojis (no I don't want to put a sign :man-kissing-a-man: just because I entered a smiley) and similar. It looks like either their devs are not using the product or any change is hampered by red tape. Still, we use it, but try to use just core functionality (git, CI, issues, wiki) and avoid anything else. Always wanted to try gitea, maybe now it's the time.
ghostoftesla 4y ago
Have a look at Gitea. You can run it as a podman rootless container off the box on your local machine. The functionality is there, the community refuses to switch. There people who still have the idea that gh is still whatvit was 10 years ago.

blueflow 4y ago

You don't need hosting to use git.

MonkeyClub 4y ago
> You don't need hosting to use git. This, 100%. Git is useful for all your textual versioning needs - but your friends don't really need access to all your git repos. The whole idea of putting your whole life on GitHub is a dev's equivalent of putting all your life on Facebook - an excellent idea, as far as Microsoft and Facebook are concerned. If you can't sell ads to coders, then perhaps you can sell them recycled code. But yeah perhaps I'm hatin' :) Speaking of GH alternatives, though, the Tildeverse has https://tildegit.org/ https://tildegit.org/ https://tildegit.org/ https://tildegit.org/.
- junon 4y ago
  Except for when GH wasn't owned by Microsoft for almost a decade...
  - xtracto 4y ago
    The problem with that is that at that time GH was surviving with VC money. That money entered with the promise that at some point GH would monetize their users. The "paid account" model wasn't enough for them, And now that Microsoft owns them it's also not enough. They've found another way to monetize all that code. It surprises me though that Microsoft hasn't added a Stack overflow like panel to github. More. People are jumping between GH for the code AZ md StackOverflow for the support.
npteljes 4y ago
Versioning the source code is just one of the many things people use GitHub for.

doublerabbit 4y ago

Onedev is what I use for my personal code. Selfhosted too: https://code.onedev.io/projects/160 https://code.onedev.io/projects/160

lapser 4y ago

As someone else has said, the alternative isn't to move away from GH (at least not for this specific issue). The alternative is to change your license to not allow for this.

rhn_mk1 4y ago
If you change your license to exclude this particular use, it's no longer Open Source (no restrictions on how it's used). If you change your license to forbid removing the license, then there's a good chance that it doesn't hold any legal power. Reason being that machine processing is allowed by copyright laws.
- dento 4y ago
  > If you change your license to forbid removing the license, then there's a good chance that it doesn't hold any legal power. But almost all licenses already do that, for example the MIT license says: > The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
  - rhn_mk1 4y ago
    Therefore, changing the license is not going to improve matters at all. It's already forbidden, yet we are where we are.

pabs3 4y ago

The Conservancy post/site mention SourceHut (thats in the US though): https://sourcehut.org/ https://sourcehut.org/

junon 4y ago
Sourcehut is entirely self-hostable and Drew Devault is staunchly pro-FOSS. Nationality means little in this case.
eesmith 4y ago
At https://sfconservancy.org/GiveUpGitHub/ https://sfconservancy.org/GiveUpGitHub/ they also mention CodeBerg, which is hosted in the EU. https://codeberg.org/ https://codeberg.org/ It's git-only. FWIW, I chose SourceHut in part because they support git and Mercurial, and I'm a Mercurial user. [1] FWIW, the main SourceHut developer last year moved to the Netherlands. https://drewdevault.com/2022/03/24/Netherlands-update.html https://drewdevault.com/2022/03/24/Netherlands-update.html , and commented "I will be re-locating SourceHut, the incorporated entity, to the Netherlands, and gradually moving our infrastructure over the pond." [1] Also because SourceHut is whole-heartedly pro-free software, and also because I feel better being able to pay for a service than depend on the largess of a large company, and also because I don't like monocultures.

jacooper 4y ago

https://codeberg.org https://codeberg.org Its based in Europe and focuses on free and open source software. However I doubt I can really say its not politically charged.

rapnie 4y ago

Given the breadth of services Github provide, forge federation using ActivityPub (and ForgeFed extensions) open standards look very promising. A whole host of projects are working on it, and among them is Gitea. They will likely be the first to federate with other instances, so you can work on remote projects from your own environment. Here is an overview of the federation activities: https://forgefriends.org/blog/2022/06/30/2022-06-state-forge-federation/ https://forgefriends.org/blog/2022/06/30/2022-06-state-forge...