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Typical vindictive gloating right wing response, basically "it's my country if you don't like it get out". In a way it's true since an aggressive right wing fac

by guelo 4y ago

Typical vindictive gloating right wing response, basically "it's my country if you don't like it get out". In a way it's true since an aggressive right wing faction has captured the least democratic institution for a generation. Democracy is dead. But what happens when half the country can't affect change for decades no matter how large their electoral victories? A balance has been lost, it feels dangerous to me.

tablespoon 4y ago
Huh? You don't seem to like the direction the US is headed, and you don't seem to think it's possible to do anything to stop it. Given those beliefs, it seems quite reasonable to abandon ship and move somewhere more friendly. Polarization has really fried peoples' brains.
- guelo 4y ago
  (Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're being genuine, even with my apparently fried brain) That's certainly a possible future if the right tightens their grip on society too much, we could experience some brain drain as those with the ability to leave do so, but it would be a tiny minority of people. We saw some signs of that during Trump's tenure, mostly scientists and academics not wanting to study or go to conferences here.
- watwut 4y ago
  The issue is not polarization. The issue is that pro-democravy groups did not polarized more radically against minority destroying both democracy and country itself. It is not symmetrical. It is pure power grab by wing who is also trying to dismantle democratic system itself.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > The issue is not polarization. The issue is that pro-democravy groups did not polarized more radically against minority destroying both democracy and country itself. IMHO, the issue is polarization. In large part, it's prevented the pro-democracy groups from prioritizing their issues to actually successfully defend democracy, and kept them trapped in the same old partisan modes. The result? Stuff like Democrats literally spending tons of money to support extremist election-denier Republicans, because they think they'll be easier to beat later (I suppose like Donald Trump was?).
    - watwut 4y ago
      Centrism prevented pro-democracy rallying. Because it insisted making anti-democracy movements being talked about in euphemisms, because it believed in giving anti-democracy side more and more.
      - tablespoon 4y ago
        > Centrism prevented pro-democracy rallying. Because it insisted making anti-democracy movements being talked about in euphemisms, because it believed in giving anti-democracy side more and more. Do you mean "centrism" or "bipartisan-ism," because they're different and it's mainly the latter that would have the problem you seem to be describing. Whatever we have now is basically the partisan equivalent of hoping you can have your cake and eat it too.
    - diordiderot 4y ago
      > the issue is polarization. In large part, it's prevented the pro-democracy groups from prioritizing their issues to actually successfully defend democracy The issue is that the left was taken over by monied interests who pitted social issues against class issues. First past the past voting meant voting for the wolf in sheepskin or the leapord

by guelo 4y ago

tablespoon 4y ago

Huh? You don't seem to like the direction the US is headed, and you don't seem to think it's possible to do anything to stop it. Given those beliefs, it seems quite reasonable to abandon ship and move somewhere more friendly. Polarization has really fried peoples' brains.

guelo 4y ago
(Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're being genuine, even with my apparently fried brain) That's certainly a possible future if the right tightens their grip on society too much, we could experience some brain drain as those with the ability to leave do so, but it would be a tiny minority of people. We saw some signs of that during Trump's tenure, mostly scientists and academics not wanting to study or go to conferences here.
watwut 4y ago
The issue is not polarization. The issue is that pro-democravy groups did not polarized more radically against minority destroying both democracy and country itself. It is not symmetrical. It is pure power grab by wing who is also trying to dismantle democratic system itself.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > The issue is not polarization. The issue is that pro-democravy groups did not polarized more radically against minority destroying both democracy and country itself. IMHO, the issue is polarization. In large part, it's prevented the pro-democracy groups from prioritizing their issues to actually successfully defend democracy, and kept them trapped in the same old partisan modes. The result? Stuff like Democrats literally spending tons of money to support extremist election-denier Republicans, because they think they'll be easier to beat later (I suppose like Donald Trump was?).
  - watwut 4y ago
    Centrism prevented pro-democracy rallying. Because it insisted making anti-democracy movements being talked about in euphemisms, because it believed in giving anti-democracy side more and more.
    - tablespoon 4y ago
      > Centrism prevented pro-democracy rallying. Because it insisted making anti-democracy movements being talked about in euphemisms, because it believed in giving anti-democracy side more and more. Do you mean "centrism" or "bipartisan-ism," because they're different and it's mainly the latter that would have the problem you seem to be describing. Whatever we have now is basically the partisan equivalent of hoping you can have your cake and eat it too.
  - diordiderot 4y ago
    > the issue is polarization. In large part, it's prevented the pro-democracy groups from prioritizing their issues to actually successfully defend democracy The issue is that the left was taken over by monied interests who pitted social issues against class issues. First past the past voting meant voting for the wolf in sheepskin or the leapord