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Could you explain? Do you suggest using some kind of CG or greenscreen, or what?

by flixic 15y ago

mbreese 15y ago
Well, one thing they could have done that wouldn't have changed their stop-motion commitment would have been to use more than a frames worth of jelly beans. Instead they could have made one long movable landscape. Then they could have adjusted the "viewport" by moving the camera or the landscape. As it is, it looks like they moved each "pixel" for each frame.
- prolepunk 15y ago
  I think that behind the scenes video doesn't give that information. Although they did shot last frame last, they didn't say that they shot them in order. Also they only shot 2300 whereas the clip at 24 fps would have taken 4920 though the 'real' frame seems to be lower. Finally moving around jelly beans is a lot easier than setting up the scene from scratch, as mentioned, a frame took 5 minutes to 3 hours to setup. tl dr: I would like to see more technical behind-the-sceens.
  - scott_s 15y ago
    they didn't say that they shot them in order. She implied it when she said that after every day, they could see the progression up until that point.
    - bch 15y ago
      They _could_ have inserted out-of-order frames as they were completed, and she could have been commenting on witnessing the video moving from flat vector gfx to jelly bean gfx.
      - scott_s 15y ago
        They could have, but I have a feeling they didn't. There's also the fact that in the last frame they shot, she's wearing the space suit that is, in fact, what she's wearing at the end of the video.
        cfn 15y ago
        They did. If you watch the second video (the making of) they commemorate the last "Kina shot" where she is dressed as an astronaut which does not match the last sequence with her of the movie.
    - wlievens 15y ago
      That's a rather vague allusion to draw such a strong conclusion.
  - ElevenElOwl 15y ago
    A lot of animation is shot at 12fps and they double each frame. I would imagine that is why there are only 2300. Animation seems to be able to get away with a lot more in terms of persistence of vision than live action can.
  - shin_lao 15y ago
    The clip is obviously not at 24 fps, it's too choppy for that.
    - cfn 15y ago
      Most animation films are not shot at 24 fps, many go as low as 12fps to save time and money.
- jrmxrf 15y ago
  Not really. You would notice completely different type of picture then. It would not be consistent. It has to be moving a bit everywhere in every single frame.
rorrr 15y ago
They recorded the girl with green screen. Why not use these frames instead of placing her on top of glass and spending minutes per frame trying to replicate that same shot? And yes, they could've have created a simple animation (which they did anyway), and then convert it to jelly beans with a relatively simple code in Processing.
- scott_s 15y ago
  I think that for them, the art was in the physicality of it. For them, how they did it mattered.
- ugh 15y ago
  This video would be pretty uninteresting had they used artificial jelly beans. I think everyone is aware that it’s trivial to convert a simple animation to a jelly bean animation. That’s not the point. Art works by different rules. (Hey, and if you like to be a cynic about it you can also say that viral videos work by different rules. OK Go owes their fame to never taking shortcuts when creating their music videos†.) (I think that placing the singer directly on the jelly beans allowed them to do certain tricks that would be harder to accomplish otherwise: pay attention to the lighting or the costume changes. It’s not clear to me whether using a green screen would really have saved time.) — † One example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w
  - hessenwolf 15y ago
    'Art works by different rules' is such a cop out for hippies to excuse time-wasting. What added wealth to the world is created by doing it the hard way?
    - Aylw 15y ago
      With modern day technology, shooting a ball in a hoop consistently or building a pyramid is easy. So why are Pro Sports and the Pyramids so amazing? Because they did it the hard way. I guess they could achieve the same thing if they lied, but if someone finds out, you are sol. See: Milli Vanilli

Could you explain? Do you suggest using some kind of CG or greenscreen, or what?

by flixic 15y ago

Could you explain? Do you suggest using some kind of CG or greenscreen, or what?

Well, one thing they could have done that wouldn't have changed their stop-motion commitment would have been to use more than a frames worth of jelly beans. Instead they could have made one long movable landscape. Then they could have adjusted the "viewport" by moving the camera or the landscape. As it is, it looks like they moved each "pixel" for each frame.

prolepunk 15y ago
I think that behind the scenes video doesn't give that information. Although they did shot last frame last, they didn't say that they shot them in order. Also they only shot 2300 whereas the clip at 24 fps would have taken 4920 though the 'real' frame seems to be lower. Finally moving around jelly beans is a lot easier than setting up the scene from scratch, as mentioned, a frame took 5 minutes to 3 hours to setup. tl dr: I would like to see more technical behind-the-sceens.
- scott_s 15y ago
  they didn't say that they shot them in order. She implied it when she said that after every day, they could see the progression up until that point.
  - bch 15y ago
    They _could_ have inserted out-of-order frames as they were completed, and she could have been commenting on witnessing the video moving from flat vector gfx to jelly bean gfx.
    - scott_s 15y ago
      They could have, but I have a feeling they didn't. There's also the fact that in the last frame they shot, she's wearing the space suit that is, in fact, what she's wearing at the end of the video.
      - cfn 15y ago
        They did. If you watch the second video (the making of) they commemorate the last "Kina shot" where she is dressed as an astronaut which does not match the last sequence with her of the movie.
  - wlievens 15y ago
    That's a rather vague allusion to draw such a strong conclusion.
- ElevenElOwl 15y ago
  A lot of animation is shot at 12fps and they double each frame. I would imagine that is why there are only 2300. Animation seems to be able to get away with a lot more in terms of persistence of vision than live action can.
- shin_lao 15y ago
  The clip is obviously not at 24 fps, it's too choppy for that.
  - cfn 15y ago
    Most animation films are not shot at 24 fps, many go as low as 12fps to save time and money.
jrmxrf 15y ago
Not really. You would notice completely different type of picture then. It would not be consistent. It has to be moving a bit everywhere in every single frame.

rorrr 15y ago

They recorded the girl with green screen. Why not use these frames instead of placing her on top of glass and spending minutes per frame trying to replicate that same shot? And yes, they could've have created a simple animation (which they did anyway), and then convert it to jelly beans with a relatively simple code in Processing.

scott_s 15y ago
I think that for them, the art was in the physicality of it. For them, how they did it mattered.
ugh 15y ago
This video would be pretty uninteresting had they used artificial jelly beans. I think everyone is aware that it’s trivial to convert a simple animation to a jelly bean animation. That’s not the point. Art works by different rules. (Hey, and if you like to be a cynic about it you can also say that viral videos work by different rules. OK Go owes their fame to never taking shortcuts when creating their music videos†.) (I think that placing the singer directly on the jelly beans allowed them to do certain tricks that would be harder to accomplish otherwise: pay attention to the lighting or the costume changes. It’s not clear to me whether using a green screen would really have saved time.) — † One example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w
- hessenwolf 15y ago
  'Art works by different rules' is such a cop out for hippies to excuse time-wasting. What added wealth to the world is created by doing it the hard way?
  - Aylw 15y ago
    With modern day technology, shooting a ball in a hoop consistently or building a pyramid is easy. So why are Pro Sports and the Pyramids so amazing? Because they did it the hard way. I guess they could achieve the same thing if they lied, but if someone finds out, you are sol. See: Milli Vanilli