> This sort of works in favor of "big" DEs like Gnome, but for the rest of the ecosystem it would mean death by fragmentation. Yeah, it encourages more consoli

> This sort of works in favor of "big" DEs like Gnome, but for the rest of the ecosystem it would mean death by fragmentation. Yeah, it encourages more consolidation, e.g. many projects build on wlroots. Not really different from how it has been before (reuse X and this WM and this compositor and ...). The only difference is that instead of a giant X and the kitchen sink and 50 different small projects on top, you now have a small wayland + xdg-portals + one of gnome/kde/wlroots to build on. > nontrivial applications don't really target Wayland, rather they... That sounds like a good thing. Instead of hacking X inputs (e.g. xdotool or xcape, just grabbing any input and window) in a horribly insecure and nonstandard way we now get proper standardized components like the above mentioned portals. So no, they don't target "complete separate software stacks", rather the complete opposite.