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> The cheese on it was also fake american cheese which itself was never cheese to begin with, That’s not true. American cheese is built on cheese but adds butt

> The cheese on it was also fake american cheese which itself was never cheese to begin with, That’s not true. American cheese is built on cheese but adds butter and cream and sodium citrate to it as an emulsification. The product is a sort of cheese based product of varying quality of rather poor (common) to essential (any good hamburger). So maybe it’s not cheese on it’s own, but it is a product of cheese and the core ingredients are (should be!) dairy.

cheese_goddess 4y ago
Copying from an earlier comment of mine, "American cheese" or "processed cheese" is often (but not always) a blend of materials none of which begins life as cheese: > Typical formulation for Analogue Pizza Cheese, from Fundamentals of Cheese Science: Ingredient Level added (g/100g Blend) Casein and caseinates 23.00 Vegetable oil 25.00 startch 2.00 Emulsifying salts 2.00 Flavour 2.00 Flavour enhancer 2.00 Acid regulator 0.40 Color 0.04 Preservative 0.10 Water 38.50 Condensate^ 7.00 ^ Upon cooking the blend to about 85°C using direct steam injection, condensate equivalent to about 7.0 g is absorbed by the blend. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27169697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27169697 The list above is for "analogue pizza cheese" but that's just the most common use of this kind of "cheese": as pizza topping. So, in a way, "vegan cheese" is not the worst kind of thing in the market that's labelled as "cheese" while not even close to the real thing. Btw, many people who are not vegan or vegetarian eat this stuff and think it's cheese. I mean because it's on pizza. And it kiind of melts, right? What else do you expect to find sort of melting on top of pizza? Cheese! So, yeah, 100%, you can totally and absolutely fool consumers by emulating the look, taste and feel of a real foodstuff. But usually that's because those consumers are so used to eating fake stuff anyway that they have forgotten what the real thing tastes like... if they ever even tasted it.
- nemo44x 4y ago
  I make American cheese all the time. 90% of the ingredients are cheddar cheese. Lots of good burger joints do this too. But yes, there’s very bad versions as you’ve described. The main idea is to take a mild cheddar and tame it further while changing its texture and to make it melt nicely. This is why any other cheese on a hamburger is inferior.
  - cheese_goddess 4y ago
    Cheddar should already melt nicely. Maybe we're talking about different cheeses called "cheddar"? I've never had American cheddar, maybe it's different than the English kind?
    - nemo44x 4y ago
      Here watch this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oRZsiXtvQDI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oRZsiXtvQDI

cheese_goddess 4y ago

Copying from an earlier comment of mine, "American cheese" or "processed cheese" is often (but not always) a blend of materials none of which begins life as cheese: > Typical formulation for Analogue Pizza Cheese, from Fundamentals of Cheese Science: Ingredient Level added (g/100g Blend) Casein and caseinates 23.00 Vegetable oil 25.00 startch 2.00 Emulsifying salts 2.00 Flavour 2.00 Flavour enhancer 2.00 Acid regulator 0.40 Color 0.04 Preservative 0.10 Water 38.50 Condensate^ 7.00 ^ Upon cooking the blend to about 85°C using direct steam injection, condensate equivalent to about 7.0 g is absorbed by the blend. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27169697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27169697 The list above is for "analogue pizza cheese" but that's just the most common use of this kind of "cheese": as pizza topping. So, in a way, "vegan cheese" is not the worst kind of thing in the market that's labelled as "cheese" while not even close to the real thing. Btw, many people who are not vegan or vegetarian eat this stuff and think it's cheese. I mean because it's on pizza. And it kiind of melts, right? What else do you expect to find sort of melting on top of pizza? Cheese! So, yeah, 100%, you can totally and absolutely fool consumers by emulating the look, taste and feel of a real foodstuff. But usually that's because those consumers are so used to eating fake stuff anyway that they have forgotten what the real thing tastes like... if they ever even tasted it.

nemo44x 4y ago
I make American cheese all the time. 90% of the ingredients are cheddar cheese. Lots of good burger joints do this too. But yes, there’s very bad versions as you’ve described. The main idea is to take a mild cheddar and tame it further while changing its texture and to make it melt nicely. This is why any other cheese on a hamburger is inferior.
- cheese_goddess 4y ago
  Cheddar should already melt nicely. Maybe we're talking about different cheeses called "cheddar"? I've never had American cheddar, maybe it's different than the English kind?
  - nemo44x 4y ago
    Here watch this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oRZsiXtvQDI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oRZsiXtvQDI