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> ¤ > Sonne So that's what that symbol meant on the good old КУВТ-2. Now my life is complete. Having learned Unix-y stuff in non-English environment, I still

> ¤ > Sonne So that's what that symbol meant on the good old КУВТ-2. Now my life is complete. Having learned Unix-y stuff in non-English environment, I still pronounce a lot of things in a weird way despite having very little accent otherwise. /etc will always be either "ye-t-k" or "ye-t-tse" and yum will be "yu-oo-m"

alisonatwork 4y ago
It's fun working with people from different countries who have developed their own regional pronunciation. I recall French colleagues pronouncing a lot of stuff that commonly starts with ch- (chroot, chmod, chown etc) with a sh- sound. Other people (including me) pronounce both letters C and H. I like that a lot of common tools don't really have a canonical pronunciation because they have spread in use far beyond the English-speaking world. I wonder if in a distant future where languages have developed to the point of being unintelligible to today's humans they'll still be running software with mysterious incantations like ioctl and malloc and so on.
- kergonath 4y ago
  > I recall French colleagues pronouncing a lot of stuff that commonly starts with ch- (chroot, chmod, chown etc) with a sh- sound. Other people (including me) pronounce both letters C and H There is something satisfying in saying “shroot” or “shown”. It never occurred to me that C and H could be pronounced separately, aren’t they an abbreviation for “change” or something like that?
  - ragingrobot 4y ago
    They are indeed an abbreviation for "change". change {root,own(er),mod(e),gr(ou)p}... I am one of those who say "c-h-..." as well. For some reason I find it less awkward to say than "shroot." Perhaps the first thing I think of with "ch" is the hard C or K, like "character." That sound wouldn't work in those cases. 'Kroot', 'kown', eh... no, so "C-H-..." it is. On that note the page mentions"char" at the top, lists "care" and I more frequently hear others use "char" as in to burn. In my groups I think I'm the only one that pronounces it as first syllable of the actual word.
- VTimofeenko 4y ago
  >pronounce both letters C and H Do you mean C as in "s" sound or as in "k" sound, or...? Oh, the "ctl"s... I got used to pronouncing it at "ka-te-el".
  - na85 4y ago
    I think they mean "see aitch root"
- rahen 4y ago
  > I recall French colleagues pronouncing a lot of stuff that commonly starts with ch- (chroot, chmod, chown etc) with a sh- sound. Some other annoying pronunciations I sometimes hear are "yoom" and "pooty" for Yum and Putty. Yet for some reason they get GRUB right, I haven't figured out why. English isn't a phonetically consistent language (ex, "u" sounds different in "put" and "dug") so I guess it can be confusing to some when needing to pronounce a new product name.
  - pdpi 4y ago
    > I guess it can be confusing It it confusing, yes. You can understand it through tough thorough thought though.
    - VTimofeenko 4y ago
      Obligatory "If English was phonetically consistent": https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A8zWWp0akUU https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A8zWWp0akUU
  - drewzero1 4y ago
    When I'm thinking "change ownership" I pronounce it ch-oh-n with a long O, but when I just read it in context I can't help but pronounce it like "clown". Lately I've been listening to Linux-related podcasts and it always takes me a couple of seconds to figure out what they're talking about when they say stuff like "slash et-see". (Which is fantastic, because it recalls "&c", et+c.)

alisonatwork 4y ago

It's fun working with people from different countries who have developed their own regional pronunciation. I recall French colleagues pronouncing a lot of stuff that commonly starts with ch- (chroot, chmod, chown etc) with a sh- sound. Other people (including me) pronounce both letters C and H. I like that a lot of common tools don't really have a canonical pronunciation because they have spread in use far beyond the English-speaking world. I wonder if in a distant future where languages have developed to the point of being unintelligible to today's humans they'll still be running software with mysterious incantations like ioctl and malloc and so on.

kergonath 4y ago
> I recall French colleagues pronouncing a lot of stuff that commonly starts with ch- (chroot, chmod, chown etc) with a sh- sound. Other people (including me) pronounce both letters C and H There is something satisfying in saying “shroot” or “shown”. It never occurred to me that C and H could be pronounced separately, aren’t they an abbreviation for “change” or something like that?
- ragingrobot 4y ago
  They are indeed an abbreviation for "change". change {root,own(er),mod(e),gr(ou)p}... I am one of those who say "c-h-..." as well. For some reason I find it less awkward to say than "shroot." Perhaps the first thing I think of with "ch" is the hard C or K, like "character." That sound wouldn't work in those cases. 'Kroot', 'kown', eh... no, so "C-H-..." it is. On that note the page mentions"char" at the top, lists "care" and I more frequently hear others use "char" as in to burn. In my groups I think I'm the only one that pronounces it as first syllable of the actual word.
VTimofeenko 4y ago
>pronounce both letters C and H Do you mean C as in "s" sound or as in "k" sound, or...? Oh, the "ctl"s... I got used to pronouncing it at "ka-te-el".
- na85 4y ago
  I think they mean "see aitch root"
rahen 4y ago
> I recall French colleagues pronouncing a lot of stuff that commonly starts with ch- (chroot, chmod, chown etc) with a sh- sound. Some other annoying pronunciations I sometimes hear are "yoom" and "pooty" for Yum and Putty. Yet for some reason they get GRUB right, I haven't figured out why. English isn't a phonetically consistent language (ex, "u" sounds different in "put" and "dug") so I guess it can be confusing to some when needing to pronounce a new product name.
- pdpi 4y ago
  > I guess it can be confusing It it confusing, yes. You can understand it through tough thorough thought though.
  - VTimofeenko 4y ago
    Obligatory "If English was phonetically consistent": https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A8zWWp0akUU https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A8zWWp0akUU
- drewzero1 4y ago
  When I'm thinking "change ownership" I pronounce it ch-oh-n with a long O, but when I just read it in context I can't help but pronounce it like "clown". Lately I've been listening to Linux-related podcasts and it always takes me a couple of seconds to figure out what they're talking about when they say stuff like "slash et-see". (Which is fantastic, because it recalls "&c", et+c.)