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I imagine this was probably user error on your part. The vegan cheese is usually on the other end of the grocery store from the real cheese, and also usually sa

by k8si 4y ago

I imagine this was probably user error on your part. The vegan cheese is usually on the other end of the grocery store from the real cheese, and also usually says 'vegan' prominently, and also there are only like 2-3 brands that make vegan cheese (Miyoko, Daiya, maybe 1 other?). And vegans still usually have to read the ingredients to make sure. Non-vegans could probably do the same if it were that important.

kelnos 4y ago
Ah yes, when something is confusing, blame the user. Classic.
- iforgotpassword 4y ago
  I've never seen anything more confusing then the two words "vegan cheese". Even after consulting with a dozen scientists I couldn't figure out what it's supposed to mean. So I bought it and surprisingly enough, I didn't end up with cheese made from milk as expected, but with cheese that was actually vegan! Could it be me? No, obviously it's somebody else's fault. Like it always is. It's never me.
  - ouid 4y ago
    you're assuming what you want to without reading the comments carefully. The "user" was tricked into buying vegan sausages. No one said that they were called vegan sausages.
    - iforgotpassword 4y ago
      It doesn't matter whether we talk about cheese or sausages. The main point is that when you make laws that make it illegal to call something "vegan cheese" or "vegan steak", you are even more likely to be confronted with those confusing and misleading labels. If anything, the law should be the other way round, require a label that plain and simply says "vegan $product" prominently.
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  Why let yourself be a victim though? Just admit you fucked up and don't buy it again. Read the label.
SllX 4y ago
Ah, the “you’re holding it wrong” argument re-contextualized as “you’re just shopping wrong”. Unfortunately that is not always the case. I don’t know about the parent but I accidentally bought a “Chick’n Burrito” that was right next to the meat burritos. It did not taste like chicken. Could it have been avoided had I been more careful? Sure! On the other hand vegan dishes taste better than fake meat dishes and I really don’t appreciate the intentionally misleading labeling riding on the good PR of “chicken” and “butter” to try to sell their fakes. Missing a character swap or substitution is not a difficult thing for literate people who are also very tired at the end of the day.
- Klonoar 4y ago
  ...no, in this case you are absolutely shopping wrong. Pay attention to the labels.
  - SllX 4y ago
    Oh believe me, I do especially after that, but that does not justify misleading labeling practices. It’s absolutely intended to be deceptive and ride on the good PR of other products.
    - Klonoar 4y ago
      That's not misleading labeling, and the naming is intended to explain what it's attempting to mimic. Many consumers appreciate that and use it as a signal when shopping.
  - cardiffspaceman 4y ago
    If it says, "milk" or "cheese" or "beef" I absolutely should not have to read the label. These things were made by farmers thousands of years ago, and have fairly simple "recipes". If you want to sell some vegetables or vegetable oil to vegans, I would have thought that vegans would go for it without the unappetizing association with dead, smelly, greasy animal carcasses. Why does vegan food have to resemble the things that vegans avoid?
autarch 4y ago
> there are only like 2-3 brands that make vegan cheese (Miyoko, Daiya, maybe 1 other?) Off the top of my head: Miyoko's, Daiya, Kite Hill, Violife, Forager, Field Roast (Chao), Nuts for Cheese, Dr. Cow, Vtopian, Parmela Creamery And with a bit of googling: Moocho (from Tofurky), GoVeggie!, Follow Your Heart (how'd I forget them?), Treeline, So Delicious, Koko Dairy Free, Vitalite, Sheese (hard to find in the US, I think), New Roots, Tofutti (ick), Kinda Co., Cheeze & Thank You, Darë, Catalyst Creamery, Moo No More, RIND, SriMu, Virgin Cheese, Reina Royal Vegan Cuisine Ok, you get the point. To be fair, a number of the brands in the second list are niche artisanal products you can only get either directly from the vendor, at niche shops like a vegan cheese shop, or online from a place like Vegan Essentials.
ouid 4y ago
>The vegan cheese is usually on the other end of the grocery store from the real cheese. How on earth do you think this is either true or a defense?
acoard 4y ago
> The vegan cheese is usually on the other end of the grocery store from the real cheese, Usually, but not always. I’ve seen them collocated more frequently of late and almost made the same mistake before comparing price. The text was so small I would not have noticed without price setting me off. It clearly can be deceptively packaged and I would imagine many marketing departments will try if they think it’ll make them money.
NicoJuicy 4y ago
Cheese to me is a processed good of milk. Vegan cheese is not, it shouldn't use cheese in it. Eg. Gluten free cheese would be processed cheese of milk with a lot extracted out of it. But it would still originate from milk.

by k8si 4y ago

kelnos 4y ago

Ah yes, when something is confusing, blame the user. Classic.

iforgotpassword 4y ago
I've never seen anything more confusing then the two words "vegan cheese". Even after consulting with a dozen scientists I couldn't figure out what it's supposed to mean. So I bought it and surprisingly enough, I didn't end up with cheese made from milk as expected, but with cheese that was actually vegan! Could it be me? No, obviously it's somebody else's fault. Like it always is. It's never me.
- ouid 4y ago
  you're assuming what you want to without reading the comments carefully. The "user" was tricked into buying vegan sausages. No one said that they were called vegan sausages.
  - iforgotpassword 4y ago
    It doesn't matter whether we talk about cheese or sausages. The main point is that when you make laws that make it illegal to call something "vegan cheese" or "vegan steak", you are even more likely to be confronted with those confusing and misleading labels. If anything, the law should be the other way round, require a label that plain and simply says "vegan $product" prominently.
stjohnswarts 4y ago
Why let yourself be a victim though? Just admit you fucked up and don't buy it again. Read the label.

SllX 4y ago

Ah, the “you’re holding it wrong” argument re-contextualized as “you’re just shopping wrong”. Unfortunately that is not always the case. I don’t know about the parent but I accidentally bought a “Chick’n Burrito” that was right next to the meat burritos. It did not taste like chicken. Could it have been avoided had I been more careful? Sure! On the other hand vegan dishes taste better than fake meat dishes and I really don’t appreciate the intentionally misleading labeling riding on the good PR of “chicken” and “butter” to try to sell their fakes. Missing a character swap or substitution is not a difficult thing for literate people who are also very tired at the end of the day.

Klonoar 4y ago
...no, in this case you are absolutely shopping wrong. Pay attention to the labels.
- SllX 4y ago
  Oh believe me, I do especially after that, but that does not justify misleading labeling practices. It’s absolutely intended to be deceptive and ride on the good PR of other products.
  - Klonoar 4y ago
    That's not misleading labeling, and the naming is intended to explain what it's attempting to mimic. Many consumers appreciate that and use it as a signal when shopping.
- cardiffspaceman 4y ago
  If it says, "milk" or "cheese" or "beef" I absolutely should not have to read the label. These things were made by farmers thousands of years ago, and have fairly simple "recipes". If you want to sell some vegetables or vegetable oil to vegans, I would have thought that vegans would go for it without the unappetizing association with dead, smelly, greasy animal carcasses. Why does vegan food have to resemble the things that vegans avoid?

autarch 4y ago

> there are only like 2-3 brands that make vegan cheese (Miyoko, Daiya, maybe 1 other?) Off the top of my head: Miyoko's, Daiya, Kite Hill, Violife, Forager, Field Roast (Chao), Nuts for Cheese, Dr. Cow, Vtopian, Parmela Creamery And with a bit of googling: Moocho (from Tofurky), GoVeggie!, Follow Your Heart (how'd I forget them?), Treeline, So Delicious, Koko Dairy Free, Vitalite, Sheese (hard to find in the US, I think), New Roots, Tofutti (ick), Kinda Co., Cheeze & Thank You, Darë, Catalyst Creamery, Moo No More, RIND, SriMu, Virgin Cheese, Reina Royal Vegan Cuisine Ok, you get the point. To be fair, a number of the brands in the second list are niche artisanal products you can only get either directly from the vendor, at niche shops like a vegan cheese shop, or online from a place like Vegan Essentials.

ouid 4y ago

>The vegan cheese is usually on the other end of the grocery store from the real cheese. How on earth do you think this is either true or a defense?

acoard 4y ago

> The vegan cheese is usually on the other end of the grocery store from the real cheese, Usually, but not always. I’ve seen them collocated more frequently of late and almost made the same mistake before comparing price. The text was so small I would not have noticed without price setting me off. It clearly can be deceptively packaged and I would imagine many marketing departments will try if they think it’ll make them money.

NicoJuicy 4y ago

Cheese to me is a processed good of milk. Vegan cheese is not, it shouldn't use cheese in it. Eg. Gluten free cheese would be processed cheese of milk with a lot extracted out of it. But it would still originate from milk.