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Yes, yes! This is common sense. Do not try and ride the coattails of existing products to sell a product that is the opposite of the products it's pretending

by mc32 4y ago

Yes, yes! This is common sense. Do not try and ride the coattails of existing products to sell a product that is the opposite of the products it's pretending to be. Be honest. It's an plant-based protein burrito it's not a damned "chik'n burrito" or "sliced cheeze". And don't get me started with the "milks". It's a freaking emulsion oat-grain emulsion, or oat beverage. What's nexy Coca-cola with a white fizzy drink, "cola-milk"? Thank you France!

kjksf 4y ago
Not sure what product you're referring to. To use a concrete example: Impossible Burger is not opposite of burger but 100% designed to be impossible to tell apart from a cow burger. So it's common sense to also call it a burger.
- mc32 4y ago
  'burger' no longer refers to Hamburger sandwiches only. So we have chicken burgers, veggie burgers, fish burgers, etc. Where 'burger' is shorthand for hot bun-sandwich. So I'm okay with "impossible burger" I would not be okay with "Impossible Hamburger" A Hamburger would refer to a sandwich made of ground meat --originally a Hamburg steak.
  - zzo38computer 4y ago
    Yes, this I agree, and the linked article also says that "burger" can be used in this way. I do agree with you that "hamburger" should not be used for the "impossible burger". (However, you can write "hamburger buns" for buns that can be used with "hamburger", even if the bun can also be used with other kind of "burger sandwiches" too.)
wumpus 4y ago
Those "milks" have been called that for 100s of years. Even better, in western Europe, their consumption is linked to the dominant religion.
- merry_flame 4y ago
- zzo38computer 4y ago
  I think that it should be acceptable if the label says "almond milk" (with the words prominently displayed) or whatever it might be, but should not simply say "milk" if that is not what it is.
morsch 4y ago
We already have diet coke imitating a drink that has sugar as a fundamental taste. I was going to say people aren't freaking out about that, but they probably were back when diet sodas were introduced. It's even called Coke. Vegan meat alternatives aren't "the opposite" of meat, what does that even mean?
ChildOfChaos 4y ago
It's not the complete opposite, a sausage refers to the shape, not that it contains meat, we simply need to learn to adopt what these words mean and they are about the type of the product not that it contains meat. For example you get beef and pork sausages, this refers to the type of sausage you are getting, what is the difference with vegan sausage? Everyone knows what that is, calling it a different name makes it harder to understand what it actually is and since that is the purpose of language/names in this instance, the correct term should be vegan sausage. In your example what helps most people understand what it is? If it was labelled "oat-grain emulsion" it sounds like some kinda paint to me where as oat milk is exceptionally clear.
- mc32 4y ago
  Sausage refers to it being "salted", i.e. seasoned. I can buy bulk pig sausage that is not in a casing. The shape is "link" or "links" so I think synthetic plant-based links is fine. If it's in bulk synthetic plant-based crumble. Calling the synthetic food the same as a natural food, is more confusing. I don't know what's what. Make up a new word and run with it. But at least, at least don't play around with things like chik'n sausage or porki sausage. At least be honest and say plant sausage.
  - ChildOfChaos 4y ago
    What about sausage dogs? are they salted? We use the word 'sausage' in that case to refer to it's shape. Language is a function to allow us to understand things and communicate, it evolves as the world evolves and these words are the best words we have to describe these vegan and veggie products as long as the word 'vegan' or vegetarian is used along with them. The word 'vegan' or 'vegetarian' in front of the word is a modifier that allows you to understand what it is, how can you not know what a vegan sausage is? You think it's still meat? A vegan can easily understand what it is and so can a meat eater, calling it anything else just becomes confusing, maybe that is the problem, you are not a veggie or vegan so you don't care if they are confused, but because your too set in your ways to be okay with a modifier that clearly shows what the product is you are upset. Things change and veggie sausage is a term used for many many years, I don't know what is confusing or wrong about it. Everybody knows what type of food a vegetarian burger is, but what about a veggie disc? it's just confusing, we don't need to invent new words here, we just have to adopt what we already have.

by mc32 4y ago

kjksf 4y ago

Not sure what product you're referring to. To use a concrete example: Impossible Burger is not opposite of burger but 100% designed to be impossible to tell apart from a cow burger. So it's common sense to also call it a burger.

mc32 4y ago
'burger' no longer refers to Hamburger sandwiches only. So we have chicken burgers, veggie burgers, fish burgers, etc. Where 'burger' is shorthand for hot bun-sandwich. So I'm okay with "impossible burger" I would not be okay with "Impossible Hamburger" A Hamburger would refer to a sandwich made of ground meat --originally a Hamburg steak.
- zzo38computer 4y ago
  Yes, this I agree, and the linked article also says that "burger" can be used in this way. I do agree with you that "hamburger" should not be used for the "impossible burger". (However, you can write "hamburger buns" for buns that can be used with "hamburger", even if the bun can also be used with other kind of "burger sandwiches" too.)

wumpus 4y ago

Those "milks" have been called that for 100s of years. Even better, in western Europe, their consumption is linked to the dominant religion.

merry_flame 4y ago
zzo38computer 4y ago
I think that it should be acceptable if the label says "almond milk" (with the words prominently displayed) or whatever it might be, but should not simply say "milk" if that is not what it is.

morsch 4y ago

We already have diet coke imitating a drink that has sugar as a fundamental taste. I was going to say people aren't freaking out about that, but they probably were back when diet sodas were introduced. It's even called Coke. Vegan meat alternatives aren't "the opposite" of meat, what does that even mean?

ChildOfChaos 4y ago

It's not the complete opposite, a sausage refers to the shape, not that it contains meat, we simply need to learn to adopt what these words mean and they are about the type of the product not that it contains meat. For example you get beef and pork sausages, this refers to the type of sausage you are getting, what is the difference with vegan sausage? Everyone knows what that is, calling it a different name makes it harder to understand what it actually is and since that is the purpose of language/names in this instance, the correct term should be vegan sausage. In your example what helps most people understand what it is? If it was labelled "oat-grain emulsion" it sounds like some kinda paint to me where as oat milk is exceptionally clear.

mc32 4y ago
Sausage refers to it being "salted", i.e. seasoned. I can buy bulk pig sausage that is not in a casing. The shape is "link" or "links" so I think synthetic plant-based links is fine. If it's in bulk synthetic plant-based crumble. Calling the synthetic food the same as a natural food, is more confusing. I don't know what's what. Make up a new word and run with it. But at least, at least don't play around with things like chik'n sausage or porki sausage. At least be honest and say plant sausage.
- ChildOfChaos 4y ago
  What about sausage dogs? are they salted? We use the word 'sausage' in that case to refer to it's shape. Language is a function to allow us to understand things and communicate, it evolves as the world evolves and these words are the best words we have to describe these vegan and veggie products as long as the word 'vegan' or vegetarian is used along with them. The word 'vegan' or 'vegetarian' in front of the word is a modifier that allows you to understand what it is, how can you not know what a vegan sausage is? You think it's still meat? A vegan can easily understand what it is and so can a meat eater, calling it anything else just becomes confusing, maybe that is the problem, you are not a veggie or vegan so you don't care if they are confused, but because your too set in your ways to be okay with a modifier that clearly shows what the product is you are upset. Things change and veggie sausage is a term used for many many years, I don't know what is confusing or wrong about it. Everybody knows what type of food a vegetarian burger is, but what about a veggie disc? it's just confusing, we don't need to invent new words here, we just have to adopt what we already have.