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Is a standard Google Meet meeting in Chrome for Linux on a Wayland desktop not functional?

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dralley 4y ago
I use Google Meet on Firefox on Wayland. Screen sharing works fine (now). It didn't for a while, admittedly, but now it does.
- linsomniac 4y ago
  I'm using Google Meet via Firefox on Ubuntu 22.04 and have not had any success with screen or window sharing, so YMMV.
dijit 4y ago
Usually not, no. There are two processes that need to be running that somewhat work. xdg-desktop-portal & xdg-desktop-portal-wlr Even then it can be garbled, only supports one screen, and you can’t use it if the process was started under Xwayland - which is opaque when it’s being used. Might be better under Firefox, but chrome is spotty for me.
- jhugo 4y ago
  Disabling Xwayland, if you can, makes wayland a much better experience. Not possible for everyone, as you may have software that doesn't work on Wayland, but I ran my daily driver Arch laptop with sway and no X at all for years, everything worked really well.
  - bitwize 4y ago
    Xwayland is probably going to be deprecated and removed anyway. It's only included for backward compatibility with "legacy applications". It's like DOS compatibility on Windows.
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    - dijit 4y ago
      Sincerely hope not, I’ll be forced to go back to X11 for jetbrains tools and everything electron based. (as the version that ships almost never has wayland support enabled in the sandbox browser- and even force enabling it where it isn’t compiled out crashes it randomly) EDIT: why did I get downvoted for that? It’s extremely true and I’ve tried to run without Xwayland a lot.
      - jhugo 4y ago
        With Chromium having decent Wayland support since a while now, I expect Electron apps will catch up eventually. A major DE deprecating Xwayland would give packagers of Electron apps a reason to get around to it.
      - Hackbraten 4y ago
        Have you had the chance to report those random crashes as bugs (against Electron or your compositor?) I figure that would be helpful for all. I’ve been using Electron apps natively on Wayland for quite a while with those force-enable flags you mentioned. Few issues so far. At one point, the apps indeed started crashing. Turns out this was due to the compositor (wl-roots) evolving while the Chromium team didn’t get the memo. They quickly fixed it in Chromium though but not before people started filing bugs. Didn’t take long for their patch to bubble up to the next Electron patch release. The sooner people report those crashes, the better for everyone involved.
      - kaba0 4y ago
        It won’t be deprecated, the very reason it exists is that there will always be plenty of software that won’t get ported to Wayland.
    - diggernet 4y ago
      I guess we should deprecate and remove DOSBox too, right? DOSBox exists because DOS legacy applications still exist, and will continue to exist for a very long time. The same is true of X legacy applications.
  - mayama 4y ago
    Does screen share work in firefox or chromium if you disable Xwayland and enable wayland rendering for those apps?
    - jhugo 4y ago
      Yes, it works well in Firefox if you have the needed packages installed [0]. I don't use Chromium but apparently that works too. [0] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#WebRTC_screen_sharing https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#WebRTC_screen_shar...
      - mayama 4y ago
        Cool. I'm using sway and might need screen sharing in a few weeks. Will check this out.
  - eadmund 4y ago
    > Disabling Xwayland, if you can, makes wayland a much better experience. Not possible for everyone, as you may have software that doesn't work on Wayland, but I ran my daily driver Arch laptop with sway and no X at all for years, everything worked really well. If I can't run suckless terminal then what's the point of having a computer on my desktop? At that point I might as well kill the GUI altogether!
  - hollerith 4y ago
    I have run my daily driver Fedora machine with Gnome and no X at all since May 2021, everything has worked really well for me, too. I haven't disabled Xwayland, but I have configured the apps that by default do not do it (in my case, Emacs and Chrome) to avoid Xwayland and instead to talk directly to Wayland. (Gnome's interface design decisions are not very good IMO, but that's clearly not Wayland's fault). At least some of comments on supposed defects in the architecture of Wayland seem to me to be written by long-time X users who simply do not like change. (I used MacOS for 11 years before I switched to Fedora and barely remember X.) The problem for those that want to continue to use X -- well, Xserver to be specific -- is that nobody wants to maintain it.
- Volundr 4y ago
  FWIW about a month ago I was interviewing, and had a few rounds of interviews on Google Meet. I was actually pleased to discover that it "Just Worked" on my Firefox/Wayland/KDE setup. Screen sharing, video backgrounds, the works. Unlike Zoom which insisted I could only use Gnome on Wayland.

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I use Google Meet on Firefox on Wayland. Screen sharing works fine (now). It didn't for a while, admittedly, but now it does.

linsomniac 4y ago
I'm using Google Meet via Firefox on Ubuntu 22.04 and have not had any success with screen or window sharing, so YMMV.

dijit 4y ago

Usually not, no. There are two processes that need to be running that somewhat work. xdg-desktop-portal & xdg-desktop-portal-wlr Even then it can be garbled, only supports one screen, and you can’t use it if the process was started under Xwayland - which is opaque when it’s being used. Might be better under Firefox, but chrome is spotty for me.

jhugo 4y ago
Disabling Xwayland, if you can, makes wayland a much better experience. Not possible for everyone, as you may have software that doesn't work on Wayland, but I ran my daily driver Arch laptop with sway and no X at all for years, everything worked really well.
- bitwize 4y ago
  Xwayland is probably going to be deprecated and removed anyway. It's only included for backward compatibility with "legacy applications". It's like DOS compatibility on Windows.
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  - dijit 4y ago
    Sincerely hope not, I’ll be forced to go back to X11 for jetbrains tools and everything electron based. (as the version that ships almost never has wayland support enabled in the sandbox browser- and even force enabling it where it isn’t compiled out crashes it randomly) EDIT: why did I get downvoted for that? It’s extremely true and I’ve tried to run without Xwayland a lot.
    - jhugo 4y ago
      With Chromium having decent Wayland support since a while now, I expect Electron apps will catch up eventually. A major DE deprecating Xwayland would give packagers of Electron apps a reason to get around to it.
    - Hackbraten 4y ago
      Have you had the chance to report those random crashes as bugs (against Electron or your compositor?) I figure that would be helpful for all. I’ve been using Electron apps natively on Wayland for quite a while with those force-enable flags you mentioned. Few issues so far. At one point, the apps indeed started crashing. Turns out this was due to the compositor (wl-roots) evolving while the Chromium team didn’t get the memo. They quickly fixed it in Chromium though but not before people started filing bugs. Didn’t take long for their patch to bubble up to the next Electron patch release. The sooner people report those crashes, the better for everyone involved.
    - kaba0 4y ago
      It won’t be deprecated, the very reason it exists is that there will always be plenty of software that won’t get ported to Wayland.
  - diggernet 4y ago
    I guess we should deprecate and remove DOSBox too, right? DOSBox exists because DOS legacy applications still exist, and will continue to exist for a very long time. The same is true of X legacy applications.
- mayama 4y ago
  Does screen share work in firefox or chromium if you disable Xwayland and enable wayland rendering for those apps?
  - jhugo 4y ago
    Yes, it works well in Firefox if you have the needed packages installed [0]. I don't use Chromium but apparently that works too. [0] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#WebRTC_screen_sharing https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PipeWire#WebRTC_screen_shar...
    - mayama 4y ago
      Cool. I'm using sway and might need screen sharing in a few weeks. Will check this out.
- eadmund 4y ago
  > Disabling Xwayland, if you can, makes wayland a much better experience. Not possible for everyone, as you may have software that doesn't work on Wayland, but I ran my daily driver Arch laptop with sway and no X at all for years, everything worked really well. If I can't run suckless terminal then what's the point of having a computer on my desktop? At that point I might as well kill the GUI altogether!
- hollerith 4y ago
  I have run my daily driver Fedora machine with Gnome and no X at all since May 2021, everything has worked really well for me, too. I haven't disabled Xwayland, but I have configured the apps that by default do not do it (in my case, Emacs and Chrome) to avoid Xwayland and instead to talk directly to Wayland. (Gnome's interface design decisions are not very good IMO, but that's clearly not Wayland's fault). At least some of comments on supposed defects in the architecture of Wayland seem to me to be written by long-time X users who simply do not like change. (I used MacOS for 11 years before I switched to Fedora and barely remember X.) The problem for those that want to continue to use X -- well, Xserver to be specific -- is that nobody wants to maintain it.
Volundr 4y ago
FWIW about a month ago I was interviewing, and had a few rounds of interviews on Google Meet. I was actually pleased to discover that it "Just Worked" on my Firefox/Wayland/KDE setup. Screen sharing, video backgrounds, the works. Unlike Zoom which insisted I could only use Gnome on Wayland.