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I think you're confusing Elon's honesty with Ego. I don't think he even knows how to lie. His goals have been met so accurately that I think he out does Aldus

I think you're confusing Elon's honesty with Ego. I don't think he even knows how to lie. His goals have been met so accurately that I think he out does Aldus Huxley as a prophet. My Model Y is elegant, has better detail/fit/finish than any other car brand I've seen. It makes my 320HP Camaro feel like a golf cart. The lack of buttons screaming "I want to break and cost you all kinds of $$$" is zen. Driving at night without all kinds of gauges shining light on you so less fatiguing. The active safety features already saved my wife from getting into a typically fatal collision (getting hit head on by a car doing 80-90MPH running a red light). Have you seen what Tesla has accomplished over the last 15 years? Saying they'd be better off with someone else shows how clueless you are about Tesla. > the big car makers learned that you can’t skimp on quality without facing devastation like Detroit in the 80s and 90s. How do you explain the number of recalls Ford and GM are having on their new vehicles? Ford has numerous cars/truck that are at like 9 or 10 serious recalls in the last year. Engines blowing up, transmissions blowing up, brakes going out. "The big car manufacturers" only learned to cut so many corners that they make trash now. They're loosing serious money even on their ICE vehicles; the figures show Ford is loosing over a billion dollars a month so far this year.

acdha 4y ago
Okay, I get that you’re a fan. I also see frequent reports of quality failures ranging from fit and finish issues to car fires, not to mention FSD being years behind the original promises. My point is simply that it seems like their reputation has been going in exactly the wrong direction for a hotly competitive market, and it looks like they need a combination of someone better at execution and more hesitant to promise things like FSD which aren’t anywhere close to being ready.
clouddrover 4y ago
> I think you're confusing Elon's honesty with Ego. I don't think he even knows how to lie. Musk has a loose association with the truth. He's been lying continuously about full self-driving: https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-next-year-for-th-1848432496 https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-ne... 5 years ago Tesla claimed to have the "hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver". That was a lie: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... Elon claimed Vernon Unsworth was a pedophile. That was a lie. Worse, Elon weakly tried to claim the term "pedo guy" doesn't mean "pedophile": https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-pedo-guy-doesnt-mean-pedophile/ https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-pedo-guy-doesnt-mean-p... Elon continues to lie about founding Tesla: https://www.tesla.com/elon-musk https://www.tesla.com/elon-musk Elon wasn't a founder of Tesla: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/06/tesla-founders-martin-eberhard-marc-tarpenning-on-elon-musk.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/06/tesla-founders-martin-eberha... In a recent sycophantic interview Musk pathetically tried to redefine the term "founder" to mean someone essential to the company: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHmSrK238vI&t=2358s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHmSrK238vI&t=2358s It's sad that he can't even be honest about simple factual matters.

acdha 4y ago

Okay, I get that you’re a fan. I also see frequent reports of quality failures ranging from fit and finish issues to car fires, not to mention FSD being years behind the original promises. My point is simply that it seems like their reputation has been going in exactly the wrong direction for a hotly competitive market, and it looks like they need a combination of someone better at execution and more hesitant to promise things like FSD which aren’t anywhere close to being ready.

clouddrover 4y ago

> I think you're confusing Elon's honesty with Ego. I don't think he even knows how to lie. Musk has a loose association with the truth. He's been lying continuously about full self-driving: https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-next-year-for-th-1848432496 https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-ne... 5 years ago Tesla claimed to have the "hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver". That was a lie: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... Elon claimed Vernon Unsworth was a pedophile. That was a lie. Worse, Elon weakly tried to claim the term "pedo guy" doesn't mean "pedophile": https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-pedo-guy-doesnt-mean-pedophile/ https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-pedo-guy-doesnt-mean-p... Elon continues to lie about founding Tesla: https://www.tesla.com/elon-musk https://www.tesla.com/elon-musk Elon wasn't a founder of Tesla: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/06/tesla-founders-martin-eberhard-marc-tarpenning-on-elon-musk.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/06/tesla-founders-martin-eberha... In a recent sycophantic interview Musk pathetically tried to redefine the term "founder" to mean someone essential to the company: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHmSrK238vI&t=2358s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHmSrK238vI&t=2358s It's sad that he can't even be honest about simple factual matters.