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FYI ICE does a lot of good work too like fighting child sex trafficking in other countries. ICE does a lot more than just immigration enforcement within the US

FYI ICE does a lot of good work too like fighting child sex trafficking in other countries. ICE does a lot more than just immigration enforcement within the US borders.

golergka 4y ago
As someone from outside of US I'm still completely baffled that there's many americans that see immigration enforcement as something bad.
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finiteseries 4y ago
ICE HSI (Homeland Security Investigations) = transnational crime ICE ERO (Enforcement Removal Operations) = brownshirts, entirely immigration Two separate agencies with two separate missions, and this is about HSI.
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >ICE HSI (Homeland Security Investigations) = transnational crime >ICE ERO (Enforcement Removal Operations) = brownshirts, entirely immigration >Two separate agencies with two separate missions, and this is about HSI. Folks keep mentioning these separate groups within ICE. Which makes a great deal of sense if you actually say the words that make up ICE: Immigration and Customs Enforcement. ERO == Immigration (the issues surrounding folks coming into the country) HSI == Customs (the issues surrounding stuff coming into the country Broadly related but distinct areas of enforcement. Edit: Fixed formatting.
- jjulius 4y ago
  This suggests that HSI only focuses on transnational crime, while ERO is "entirely immigration". In actuality, HSI also works on immigration. From an article linked to in the Coinbase article that this thread is about: >According to ICE, HSI agents “encountered 97 individuals who are subject to removal from the United States” during its execution of a federal criminal search warrant at the meatpacking plant. https://theintercept.com/2018/04/10/ice-raids-tennessee-meatpacking-plant/ https://theintercept.com/2018/04/10/ice-raids-tennessee-meat...
  - finiteseries 4y ago
    I actually tried editing it specifically not to suggest that while still reflecting the underlying reality, sorry. Suffice to say, meat packing plants and undocumented labor are not HSI’s priority, ERO is consumed by them. It’s a big issue, ERO can’t even perform their own workplace raids/political stunts so they co-opt the serious agency for it whenever the winds in DC blow the right direction. Blown in part by the infamous “ICE union” of course, while hilariously, the HSI agents performing the stunts aren’t even unionized. But because DHS is, has, and will probably continue to be in disarray merely confronted with its daily agenda, it’s always going to be a “bad time” to look at finally separating the two.
rodgerd 4y ago
Today the excuse is that it's child sex traffiking, tomorrow it's persecuting women who get healthcare that the Texas attorney-general doesn't like.
newfriend 4y ago
> ICE does a lot of good work too implying immigration enforcement is a bad thing
- cphoover 4y ago
  Depends... I think if we want our economy to grow, kicking out potential workers doesn't seem to make sense. I do think we need control of our borders though in order to enforce things like tariffs, restrict prohibited items, human trafficking etc...
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samstave 4y ago
>>...fighting child sex trafficking in other countries... - I know this isnt a topic HN likes, but F that statement. -- I won't go into what I know of the USG and child sex trafficking (a victim) -- but its ridiculous to think that ICE does anything but protect and enable child sex trafficking. As a child in the 1970s sex cults enabled by the CIA were a thing. (I am living proof of this, see the interview and statements about 'the purple people' (only clue Ill leave you.)) --- Look at Haiti. I could write a book, but wont, about how just insanely pedo-ruled the USG is. Have you ever looked at a badge of a sheriff? This is what Swartz died trying to reveal, not JSTOR.
- CyberDildonics 4y ago
  You may be able to find a local NAMI affiliate with this page: https://www.nami.org/findsupport https://www.nami.org/findsupport
- ianhawes 4y ago
  I've read your comment and I want you to know that there are resources[0] for you. [0] https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/find-help https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/find-help
  - samstave 4y ago
- jjulius 4y ago
  >Have you ever looked at a badge of a sheriff? Sure have! There are all kinds of different badges, some with very simple designs and others with lots of great detail. This is a very, very vague piece of innuendo that does nobody any good if you're hoping that we'll research it ourselves. https://www.google.com/search?q=sheriff%27s+badge https://www.google.com/search?q=sheriff%27s+badge
uoaei 4y ago
Talk about scope creep... and it happens here for the same reason as in business: contract inflation. The government is more than happy to throw money at contractors and the more they ask for, the more they get, generally.
- papito 4y ago
  Hey, the U.S. Secret Service is responsible for enforcing currency counterfeit crime.
homonculus1 4y ago
They also do a lot of good work enforcing US borders.

FYI ICE does a lot of good work too like fighting child sex trafficking in other countries. ICE does a lot more than just immigration enforcement within the US borders.

golergka 4y ago

As someone from outside of US I'm still completely baffled that there's many americans that see immigration enforcement as something bad.

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finiteseries 4y ago

ICE HSI (Homeland Security Investigations) = transnational crime ICE ERO (Enforcement Removal Operations) = brownshirts, entirely immigration Two separate agencies with two separate missions, and this is about HSI.

nobody9999 4y ago
>ICE HSI (Homeland Security Investigations) = transnational crime >ICE ERO (Enforcement Removal Operations) = brownshirts, entirely immigration >Two separate agencies with two separate missions, and this is about HSI. Folks keep mentioning these separate groups within ICE. Which makes a great deal of sense if you actually say the words that make up ICE: Immigration and Customs Enforcement. ERO == Immigration (the issues surrounding folks coming into the country) HSI == Customs (the issues surrounding stuff coming into the country Broadly related but distinct areas of enforcement. Edit: Fixed formatting.
jjulius 4y ago
This suggests that HSI only focuses on transnational crime, while ERO is "entirely immigration". In actuality, HSI also works on immigration. From an article linked to in the Coinbase article that this thread is about: >According to ICE, HSI agents “encountered 97 individuals who are subject to removal from the United States” during its execution of a federal criminal search warrant at the meatpacking plant. https://theintercept.com/2018/04/10/ice-raids-tennessee-meatpacking-plant/ https://theintercept.com/2018/04/10/ice-raids-tennessee-meat...
- finiteseries 4y ago
  I actually tried editing it specifically not to suggest that while still reflecting the underlying reality, sorry. Suffice to say, meat packing plants and undocumented labor are not HSI’s priority, ERO is consumed by them. It’s a big issue, ERO can’t even perform their own workplace raids/political stunts so they co-opt the serious agency for it whenever the winds in DC blow the right direction. Blown in part by the infamous “ICE union” of course, while hilariously, the HSI agents performing the stunts aren’t even unionized. But because DHS is, has, and will probably continue to be in disarray merely confronted with its daily agenda, it’s always going to be a “bad time” to look at finally separating the two.

rodgerd 4y ago

Today the excuse is that it's child sex traffiking, tomorrow it's persecuting women who get healthcare that the Texas attorney-general doesn't like.

newfriend 4y ago

> ICE does a lot of good work too implying immigration enforcement is a bad thing

cphoover 4y ago
Depends... I think if we want our economy to grow, kicking out potential workers doesn't seem to make sense. I do think we need control of our borders though in order to enforce things like tariffs, restrict prohibited items, human trafficking etc...

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samstave 4y ago

>>...fighting child sex trafficking in other countries... - I know this isnt a topic HN likes, but F that statement. -- I won't go into what I know of the USG and child sex trafficking (a victim) -- but its ridiculous to think that ICE does anything but protect and enable child sex trafficking. As a child in the 1970s sex cults enabled by the CIA were a thing. (I am living proof of this, see the interview and statements about 'the purple people' (only clue Ill leave you.)) --- Look at Haiti. I could write a book, but wont, about how just insanely pedo-ruled the USG is. Have you ever looked at a badge of a sheriff? This is what Swartz died trying to reveal, not JSTOR.

CyberDildonics 4y ago
You may be able to find a local NAMI affiliate with this page: https://www.nami.org/findsupport https://www.nami.org/findsupport
ianhawes 4y ago
I've read your comment and I want you to know that there are resources[0] for you. [0] https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/find-help https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/find-help
- samstave 4y ago
jjulius 4y ago
>Have you ever looked at a badge of a sheriff? Sure have! There are all kinds of different badges, some with very simple designs and others with lots of great detail. This is a very, very vague piece of innuendo that does nobody any good if you're hoping that we'll research it ourselves. https://www.google.com/search?q=sheriff%27s+badge https://www.google.com/search?q=sheriff%27s+badge

uoaei 4y ago

Talk about scope creep... and it happens here for the same reason as in business: contract inflation. The government is more than happy to throw money at contractors and the more they ask for, the more they get, generally.

papito 4y ago
Hey, the U.S. Secret Service is responsible for enforcing currency counterfeit crime.

homonculus1 4y ago

They also do a lot of good work enforcing US borders.