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No you don’t understand, being more democratic in the abstract is more important than actual rights being stripped away or retaining the bare minimum environmen

No you don’t understand, being more democratic in the abstract is more important than actual rights being stripped away or retaining the bare minimum environmental regulations on companies that are destroying the planet. It’s sad how the flimsiest well-actuallys carry so much weight around here. Anyone making arguments around recent decisions being democratic has their head buried in the sand about how blatantly undemocratic the US has been since its inception.

refurb 4y ago
That’s a silly statement. The process is what makes a country democratic. Creating laws out of thin air and not through the proper processes is the opposite of democratic.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
  Processes were followed and have been for generations. SCOTUS is just flipping the table over now for the benefit of biggest polluting industries, not the citizens, country, or the rule of law.
  - refurb 4y ago
    I mean it clearly wasn’t followed, the legislature was trying to do a run around the right process (explicitly giving the EPA the powers). This ruling is the right one.
    - jdgoesmarching 4y ago
      It’s only “clear” for people who accept paper-thin legal logic from a court with an obvious agenda. It’s only clear if you’re willing to slide down the slippery slope of the court stripping authority from all federal agencies they don’t like with the logic that the legislature needs to codify every email sent by an agency. If you don’t like the EPA just say so, but please stop pretending like the Supreme Court is some real arbiter of logic and constitutionality. It has always been (even during liberal courts) an unelected political institution that justifies huge legislative changes with high-minded philosophical hand waving. Occasionally they throw in civil rights decisions for good PR with their aligned base, but even that’s on the chopping block with the current court.
      - refurb 4y ago
        The funny part is your criticism of “paper thin logic” is exactly what the original Roe v Wade decision was.

refurb 4y ago

That’s a silly statement. The process is what makes a country democratic. Creating laws out of thin air and not through the proper processes is the opposite of democratic.

Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
Processes were followed and have been for generations. SCOTUS is just flipping the table over now for the benefit of biggest polluting industries, not the citizens, country, or the rule of law.
- refurb 4y ago
  I mean it clearly wasn’t followed, the legislature was trying to do a run around the right process (explicitly giving the EPA the powers). This ruling is the right one.
  - jdgoesmarching 4y ago
    It’s only “clear” for people who accept paper-thin legal logic from a court with an obvious agenda. It’s only clear if you’re willing to slide down the slippery slope of the court stripping authority from all federal agencies they don’t like with the logic that the legislature needs to codify every email sent by an agency. If you don’t like the EPA just say so, but please stop pretending like the Supreme Court is some real arbiter of logic and constitutionality. It has always been (even during liberal courts) an unelected political institution that justifies huge legislative changes with high-minded philosophical hand waving. Occasionally they throw in civil rights decisions for good PR with their aligned base, but even that’s on the chopping block with the current court.
    - refurb 4y ago
      The funny part is your criticism of “paper thin logic” is exactly what the original Roe v Wade decision was.