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Poor example to use because Mercedes has built the better engine and dominated the hybrid era. But if I ask you to show me their better cars pre-2014 what will

Poor example to use because Mercedes has built the better engine and dominated the hybrid era. But if I ask you to show me their better cars pre-2014 what will you have? On the other hand Newey has been designing winning cars since the 80s, and that includes cart and multiple formula 1 championships. The man is a legend of motorsport and deserves the worship he gets.

mhh__ 4y ago
Why pre-2014? Mercedes joined the sport with 2014 specifically in mind, the cars prior to that probably weren't the focus. Although "Mercedes" (Brawn/Honda) did win the championship... The W11/10 are arguably the best F1 cars ever, and not just because of the engine. The Mercedes that won all those races had really good chassis. Watch a comparison (I can't find it unfortunately) between the ferrari (illegal engine) vs the w11 (year after) at spa - the ferrari is so quick on the straights, and yet the mercedes is just so fast in the corners.
- blitzar 4y ago
  2009 Brawn/Honda - average (at best) drivers, average (at best) budget. True chassis design genius. Same engine as the Mclaren, 1/3 the budget, a driver whos other offer of a seat was to pay for one at Toro Rosso; yet over a second faster in the first race of the year.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    Brawn was one of the truely impressive feats in Formula One. The others that are somewhat similar are Beneton (arguably Schumacher played a huge role as well) and Red Bull. That McLaren and Williams fell so far from competitiveness is quite said actually.
    - mhh__ 4y ago
      McLaren and williams both had idiosyncrasies that they got punished for arguably, mostly Williams but the way Ron Dennis ran mclaren sounds like a deathtrap culturally.
- ableal 4y ago
  > Mercedes joined the sport Re-joined, I think they left in the 50s or 60s after a racing tragedy. Fangio raced for Mercedes, I believe.
TheCondor 4y ago
There is a terrible trend in F1 amongst the fan, at least, to disregard so much. Merc may have had a better engine but that same engine was in other cars too, their entire package was phenomenal. Same with their driver, if Hamilton isn't literally the very best then the differences are very very very tiny. It takes everything coming together to win championships, they had it, they had the driver, they had the engine, they had the chassis, they had the pit crew, the engineers, the strategies. AN is amazing, he's designed a lot of winning cars and a lot of nearly won cars too. The genius of Christian Horner seems to be that he deflects any and all responsibility from the most potentially fragile elements of his team. AN is one of those, short of him saying a particular design or concept was crap, no one on the team will ever say anything of the sort.

mhh__ 4y ago

Why pre-2014? Mercedes joined the sport with 2014 specifically in mind, the cars prior to that probably weren't the focus. Although "Mercedes" (Brawn/Honda) did win the championship... The W11/10 are arguably the best F1 cars ever, and not just because of the engine. The Mercedes that won all those races had really good chassis. Watch a comparison (I can't find it unfortunately) between the ferrari (illegal engine) vs the w11 (year after) at spa - the ferrari is so quick on the straights, and yet the mercedes is just so fast in the corners.

blitzar 4y ago
2009 Brawn/Honda - average (at best) drivers, average (at best) budget. True chassis design genius. Same engine as the Mclaren, 1/3 the budget, a driver whos other offer of a seat was to pay for one at Toro Rosso; yet over a second faster in the first race of the year.
- hef19898 4y ago
  Brawn was one of the truely impressive feats in Formula One. The others that are somewhat similar are Beneton (arguably Schumacher played a huge role as well) and Red Bull. That McLaren and Williams fell so far from competitiveness is quite said actually.
  - mhh__ 4y ago
    McLaren and williams both had idiosyncrasies that they got punished for arguably, mostly Williams but the way Ron Dennis ran mclaren sounds like a deathtrap culturally.
ableal 4y ago
> Mercedes joined the sport Re-joined, I think they left in the 50s or 60s after a racing tragedy. Fangio raced for Mercedes, I believe.

TheCondor 4y ago

There is a terrible trend in F1 amongst the fan, at least, to disregard so much. Merc may have had a better engine but that same engine was in other cars too, their entire package was phenomenal. Same with their driver, if Hamilton isn't literally the very best then the differences are very very very tiny. It takes everything coming together to win championships, they had it, they had the driver, they had the engine, they had the chassis, they had the pit crew, the engineers, the strategies. AN is amazing, he's designed a lot of winning cars and a lot of nearly won cars too. The genius of Christian Horner seems to be that he deflects any and all responsibility from the most potentially fragile elements of his team. AN is one of those, short of him saying a particular design or concept was crap, no one on the team will ever say anything of the sort.