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Well its not a cheap product, I suspect its just a massive knot of complexity and thus massively expensive to maintain and manage.

encryptluks2 4y ago
Massive pile of garbage is more like it. As a developer, the only thing slowing me down from getting work done was waiting on JIRA and being told to use the crap they call Confluence to document things.
- yardstick 4y ago
  What do you recommend instead? JIRA & Confluence seem to be the best of a bad bunch. I do miss the self-hosted option.
  - theteapot 4y ago
    README.md
  - mvonballmo 4y ago
    Honestly, Azure DevOps is a solid replacement. The integration is really good and the "Boards" software really feels like they're eating their own dog food. Their Wiki software is Markdown stored in a Git repo (unlike Confluence's mess). It's fast, permissions are relatively intuitive and fast, etc. It's worth a look if you're evaluating. JetBrains Space is another alternative, but I have no experience with it.
  - ed_blackburn 4y ago
    Treat it like a software problem, start with the simplest thing that'll work and then introduce more complexity or features when you need them. Chances are you'll start with GH issues or a shared doc in a productivity suite and where ever you land, it won't be JIRA.
  - lmm 4y ago
    Trello was good, although it's quickly being run into the ground. Mediawiki is a pain to maintain but nothing else comes close.
  - rusticpenn 4y ago
    Confluence search has a lot of issues. Its almost impossible to search for documentation or anything there. Even Slack search is leagues better and can be used as a documentation/ help tool.
- theteapot 4y ago
  It's not great but it's not that bad. A business has to have documentation and has to have a standardized workflows around doc. Jira/Confluence is not what I would choose but it works OK.
threeseed 4y ago
> Well its not a cheap product Jira is pretty cheap actually compared to Asana etc. Free up to 10 users, $14.5/month up to 20,000. https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/pricing https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/pricing

encryptluks2 4y ago

Massive pile of garbage is more like it. As a developer, the only thing slowing me down from getting work done was waiting on JIRA and being told to use the crap they call Confluence to document things.

yardstick 4y ago
What do you recommend instead? JIRA & Confluence seem to be the best of a bad bunch. I do miss the self-hosted option.
- theteapot 4y ago
  README.md
- mvonballmo 4y ago
  Honestly, Azure DevOps is a solid replacement. The integration is really good and the "Boards" software really feels like they're eating their own dog food. Their Wiki software is Markdown stored in a Git repo (unlike Confluence's mess). It's fast, permissions are relatively intuitive and fast, etc. It's worth a look if you're evaluating. JetBrains Space is another alternative, but I have no experience with it.
- ed_blackburn 4y ago
  Treat it like a software problem, start with the simplest thing that'll work and then introduce more complexity or features when you need them. Chances are you'll start with GH issues or a shared doc in a productivity suite and where ever you land, it won't be JIRA.
- lmm 4y ago
  Trello was good, although it's quickly being run into the ground. Mediawiki is a pain to maintain but nothing else comes close.
- rusticpenn 4y ago
  Confluence search has a lot of issues. Its almost impossible to search for documentation or anything there. Even Slack search is leagues better and can be used as a documentation/ help tool.
theteapot 4y ago
It's not great but it's not that bad. A business has to have documentation and has to have a standardized workflows around doc. Jira/Confluence is not what I would choose but it works OK.

threeseed 4y ago

> Well its not a cheap product Jira is pretty cheap actually compared to Asana etc. Free up to 10 users, $14.5/month up to 20,000. https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/pricing https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/pricing