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> I'm not saying there's implicit trust in governments in the EU, but from the discourse on the internet, it's clear to me that most (western) european citizens

> I'm not saying there's implicit trust in governments in the EU, but from the discourse on the internet, it's clear to me that most (western) european citizens trust their government more than Americans, overall. This is absolutely right. And they are fools to do so! The government can write legislation such as the police have the right to see your id, and everyone is meant to show it! This is nothing to do with right or wrong. It can be couched as 'protecting people' whilst being tyrannical. At least in the US they have access to weaponry to give those government officials pause for thought of they attempt to implement tyranny. Europe is already defanged though - who could fight back, even if they wanted to? The prospect is rigid stasis - governed by an unelected elite, who have the mechanism of fine grained control over every citizen. Its neo-feudalism via technocracy.

skinnymuch 4y ago
The US military would roll through any amount of Americans with guns. It is unlikely a large faction of the military would actively become [technical] traitors and actively fight the US military. If they abstain. No big deal. Only a fraction of the military is needed. All the tech would still be available. The military could spend some months building a TON of drones…get any Allies who are capable, to do the same. A fight of mostly drones and fortified heavier machinery vs normal Americans would be a bloodbath. The morale of the dying people would be awful. That is a bloodbath. Not a fight against tyranny. The 18+ cops at Uvalde were scared of one kid with a semi auto. The cops being that scared to do anything to protect the children of their own community while eating up 40% of the budget lends credence to not expecting more local authority and similar weaponized and experienced career folk to be much help. That’s if they are on the people’s side at all. A look at the downfall of the trucker’s protests in Canada shows how quickly the cops and authorities will look out for themselves far above the cares or issues of the citizens they “serve”. The cops and enough authorities were engaging in disobedience, helping out the protestors, being kind to them. Once they were given more power and money, they went out in full force the next day and treated the protestors that were their peers the day before like leftist protestors. Brutally subduing the protest and ending it.
blitzar 4y ago
Funnily enough people in the US that bang on about tyranny and guns tend to also bang on about making anyone that looks like a foreigner present documents. Freedom for me and stazi for thee

skinnymuch 4y ago

The US military would roll through any amount of Americans with guns. It is unlikely a large faction of the military would actively become [technical] traitors and actively fight the US military. If they abstain. No big deal. Only a fraction of the military is needed. All the tech would still be available. The military could spend some months building a TON of drones…get any Allies who are capable, to do the same. A fight of mostly drones and fortified heavier machinery vs normal Americans would be a bloodbath. The morale of the dying people would be awful. That is a bloodbath. Not a fight against tyranny. The 18+ cops at Uvalde were scared of one kid with a semi auto. The cops being that scared to do anything to protect the children of their own community while eating up 40% of the budget lends credence to not expecting more local authority and similar weaponized and experienced career folk to be much help. That’s if they are on the people’s side at all. A look at the downfall of the trucker’s protests in Canada shows how quickly the cops and authorities will look out for themselves far above the cares or issues of the citizens they “serve”. The cops and enough authorities were engaging in disobedience, helping out the protestors, being kind to them. Once they were given more power and money, they went out in full force the next day and treated the protestors that were their peers the day before like leftist protestors. Brutally subduing the protest and ending it.

blitzar 4y ago

Funnily enough people in the US that bang on about tyranny and guns tend to also bang on about making anyone that looks like a foreigner present documents. Freedom for me and stazi for thee