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Providing governments with a de facto mandatory electronic ID for every citizen is inherently providing the means to surveil, though. I also wonder how this wi

Providing governments with a de facto mandatory electronic ID for every citizen is inherently providing the means to surveil, though. I also wonder how this will be regarded in countries like Ireland, which doesn't have a national ID card and where a recent attempt to make a similar digital ID system mandatory was ruled unlawful (PSC/MyGovID).

slartibardfast0 4y ago
Ireland can't really do a national id scheme without mutual agreement with the UK due to the common travel area & mutual residence rights (including voting at parliamentary level upon taking residence) that are dealt with in an ad-hoc manner for many reasons. due to this, Ireland has default opt-out on justice & home affairs issues. however, as an EU citizen, I can see immediate advantages to a cautiously administered digital id. as it is, many states within the EU demand a national tax id on registration for services as simple as bike rental, such a digital id would presumably supersede such nonsense and help further the single market everyone is working towards.
radicalbyte 4y ago
The regulation will have to make that illegal - there are several countries who would block the regulation it if it wasn't. So the situation will be better for us than today - there will be more options providing the ID (and wallets), including highly privacy-preserving tech based on modern encryption techniques. That will make it much harder to be tracked by commercial players and much harder to be tracked legally by governments. For the blackhat / illegal security agencies: you might make it a little harder because the US-compromised companies (FAANG + MS) aren't (always) involved.
herbstein 4y ago
> Providing governments with a de facto mandatory electronic ID for every citizen is inherently providing the means to surveil, though. But this suggestion ain't it. Most EU countries already have a de facto mandatory electronic ID for every resident.
- closewith 4y ago
  > But this suggestion ain't it. What's your basis for this claim? From the declared strategy, it seems perfect for abuse as a surveillance tool. > Most EU countries already have a de facto mandatory electronic ID for every resident. As stated elsewhere, my country (Ireland) does not. It's attempt at a mandatory electronic ID (MyGovID/Public Services Card) was ruled as unlawful (it's still available, but cannot be required to access government services). Strategy link: https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/european-digital-identity_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/euro...

slartibardfast0 4y ago

Ireland can't really do a national id scheme without mutual agreement with the UK due to the common travel area & mutual residence rights (including voting at parliamentary level upon taking residence) that are dealt with in an ad-hoc manner for many reasons. due to this, Ireland has default opt-out on justice & home affairs issues. however, as an EU citizen, I can see immediate advantages to a cautiously administered digital id. as it is, many states within the EU demand a national tax id on registration for services as simple as bike rental, such a digital id would presumably supersede such nonsense and help further the single market everyone is working towards.

radicalbyte 4y ago

The regulation will have to make that illegal - there are several countries who would block the regulation it if it wasn't. So the situation will be better for us than today - there will be more options providing the ID (and wallets), including highly privacy-preserving tech based on modern encryption techniques. That will make it much harder to be tracked by commercial players and much harder to be tracked legally by governments. For the blackhat / illegal security agencies: you might make it a little harder because the US-compromised companies (FAANG + MS) aren't (always) involved.

herbstein 4y ago

> Providing governments with a de facto mandatory electronic ID for every citizen is inherently providing the means to surveil, though. But this suggestion ain't it. Most EU countries already have a de facto mandatory electronic ID for every resident.

closewith 4y ago
> But this suggestion ain't it. What's your basis for this claim? From the declared strategy, it seems perfect for abuse as a surveillance tool. > Most EU countries already have a de facto mandatory electronic ID for every resident. As stated elsewhere, my country (Ireland) does not. It's attempt at a mandatory electronic ID (MyGovID/Public Services Card) was ruled as unlawful (it's still available, but cannot be required to access government services). Strategy link: https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/european-digital-identity_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/euro...