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> So you can have a secure way to login to websites, with many personas, without having to share your GAF Let's manage the beloved and accountable Eurocrats in

> So you can have a secure way to login to websites, with many personas, without having to share your GAF Let's manage the beloved and accountable Eurocrats in Brussels our private Auth-infrastructure, because its not like this problem would be solvable otherwise: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31836922 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31836922

hourago 4y ago
> accountable That's the key. European politicians are accountable to European citizens. Big corporations are not. This seems a step in the right direction.
- woodpanel 4y ago
  > European politicians are accountable to European citizens. That joke made my day. I'm guessing Ursula von der Leyen is a real people's champ then. > * Big corporations are not. This seems a step in the right direction.* So let big corporations develop the technology? Especially those that are intertwined with the state? In otherwords, entitites where the state has created plausible deniability for itself? Great, what could go wrong?
blitzar 4y ago
Let's give the beloved and accountable Google / Facebook / Microsoft in the US of A our private Auth-infrastructure, because its not like this problem would be solvable otherwise, and its not like they have ever done anything with our data before that would make you wonder if they can be trusted.
- woodpanel 4y ago
  FIDO is an open standard, that by definition doesn't store your data at GAF.
  - blitzar 4y ago
    I look forward to being able to pick up the phone to Google / Facebook / Microsoft, talk to a human and have them troubleshoot why they have locked me out of everything in the world.
malermeister 4y ago
This might be a shock to you, but people here would rather have their democratic government in charge of identity than some unelected, for-profit foreign company in a country that specifically does not have any privacy protections for non-citizens.
- woodpanel 4y ago
  This might be a shock to you, but people in Europe already have their democratic government - you may google "national elections" ;-) And again, FIDO is an open standard, that by definition isn't run or dependend on the servers of "for profit private companies". But gee, I must be total noob then. Open-Source can be bad, as can be accountability. For the greater good I guess.
  - yaantc 4y ago
    FIDO allows to authenticate to an identity, which ideally is securely stored in a token and cannot be cloned or stolen. This identity is only an large, arbitrary number and that's all. This is not enough here. The example provided (bank account, university registration) make it clear that we're talking about authenticating against a person real, legal entity here. It's not needed in all cases, and when it's not FIDO is fine, but when it's needed in the end the root of trust in Europe is one's national state anyway.
  - malermeister 4y ago
    > This might be a shock to you, but people in Europe already have their democratic government - you may google "national elections" ;-) People in Europe don't. People in the various countries do. This is just a level above, just like you don't say "oh why do we need the german government, can't the mayors do everything?". Different levels of organization need different democratic governments. Tribalism is not the solution.
    - argentier 4y ago
      What is democratic about the European Commission? Having an executive made up of people selected by other politicians for political reasons is all very well as long as they understand that they do not have much legitimacy. JC Junker, for all that he was a bit of an old sot, understood this very well. Von der Leyen, either because of her immensely privileged background, or because of her inability to communicate in any diplomatic way, has revealed the undemocratic abomination at the heart of the European Project. Her press conference with Stoltenberg (and Belgian nonentity Michel) at the outset of the Ukraine war deprived the EU of any room for manoeuvre in relations with Russia. She unilaterally committed hundreds of millions of people to a diplomatically absolutist position. Furthermore, she actively spun against attempts by Macron and Scholz to moderate that position. The EU cannot continue like this: already I'm quite dubious as to whether it will survive the winter, with double digit inflation and mass industrial layoffs in prospect. If Putin wants to play divide et impera with Russian fossil fuel supplies, she has certainly created the ideal conditions for him to do so. She is corrupt (see Pfizer SMS) and unaccountable.

hourago 4y ago

> accountable That's the key. European politicians are accountable to European citizens. Big corporations are not. This seems a step in the right direction.

woodpanel 4y ago
> European politicians are accountable to European citizens. That joke made my day. I'm guessing Ursula von der Leyen is a real people's champ then. > * Big corporations are not. This seems a step in the right direction.* So let big corporations develop the technology? Especially those that are intertwined with the state? In otherwords, entitites where the state has created plausible deniability for itself? Great, what could go wrong?

blitzar 4y ago

Let's give the beloved and accountable Google / Facebook / Microsoft in the US of A our private Auth-infrastructure, because its not like this problem would be solvable otherwise, and its not like they have ever done anything with our data before that would make you wonder if they can be trusted.

woodpanel 4y ago
FIDO is an open standard, that by definition doesn't store your data at GAF.
- blitzar 4y ago
  I look forward to being able to pick up the phone to Google / Facebook / Microsoft, talk to a human and have them troubleshoot why they have locked me out of everything in the world.

malermeister 4y ago

This might be a shock to you, but people here would rather have their democratic government in charge of identity than some unelected, for-profit foreign company in a country that specifically does not have any privacy protections for non-citizens.

woodpanel 4y ago
This might be a shock to you, but people in Europe already have their democratic government - you may google "national elections" ;-) And again, FIDO is an open standard, that by definition isn't run or dependend on the servers of "for profit private companies". But gee, I must be total noob then. Open-Source can be bad, as can be accountability. For the greater good I guess.
- yaantc 4y ago
  FIDO allows to authenticate to an identity, which ideally is securely stored in a token and cannot be cloned or stolen. This identity is only an large, arbitrary number and that's all. This is not enough here. The example provided (bank account, university registration) make it clear that we're talking about authenticating against a person real, legal entity here. It's not needed in all cases, and when it's not FIDO is fine, but when it's needed in the end the root of trust in Europe is one's national state anyway.
- malermeister 4y ago
  > This might be a shock to you, but people in Europe already have their democratic government - you may google "national elections" ;-) People in Europe don't. People in the various countries do. This is just a level above, just like you don't say "oh why do we need the german government, can't the mayors do everything?". Different levels of organization need different democratic governments. Tribalism is not the solution.
  - argentier 4y ago
    What is democratic about the European Commission? Having an executive made up of people selected by other politicians for political reasons is all very well as long as they understand that they do not have much legitimacy. JC Junker, for all that he was a bit of an old sot, understood this very well. Von der Leyen, either because of her immensely privileged background, or because of her inability to communicate in any diplomatic way, has revealed the undemocratic abomination at the heart of the European Project. Her press conference with Stoltenberg (and Belgian nonentity Michel) at the outset of the Ukraine war deprived the EU of any room for manoeuvre in relations with Russia. She unilaterally committed hundreds of millions of people to a diplomatically absolutist position. Furthermore, she actively spun against attempts by Macron and Scholz to moderate that position. The EU cannot continue like this: already I'm quite dubious as to whether it will survive the winter, with double digit inflation and mass industrial layoffs in prospect. If Putin wants to play divide et impera with Russian fossil fuel supplies, she has certainly created the ideal conditions for him to do so. She is corrupt (see Pfizer SMS) and unaccountable.