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And the rate for White victims in the USA is 87% (from within the article). Fairly similar. The overall rate is brought down by the volume of black victims (pr

And the rate for White victims in the USA is 87% (from within the article). Fairly similar. The overall rate is brought down by the volume of black victims (predominantly killed by others blacks), and the resistance to supporting police within those same communities.

11101010001100 4y ago
The point stands: comparing nation-level statistics. Of course, one is free to choose an arbitrary level of granularity.
- calvinmorrison 4y ago
  FWIW Comparing the United States to Micronesia is also a bad idea. Or to say, Life in moscow is sure different than in Kamchatka
JonShartwell 4y ago
Other countries also have groups who have historically been discriminated against and the numbers show they do a much better job at solving these crimes than the US
Andaith 4y ago
If they're not solving the crimes, how do you know they're "predominantly killed by other blacks"? Also, why is there resistance to supporting police in those communities?
- Fargoan 4y ago
  Most murders aren't random. Neighborhoods are segregated.
- deleted 4y ago
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- swearwolf 4y ago
  You’ve never heard of “snitches get stitches?”
- Manuel_D 4y ago
  Mostly from reports of witnesses. Even if the murder goes unsolved, the witnesses can provide a description.
- feet 4y ago
  "Black on black crime" is a talking point that racists in the US absolutely love to toss around while totally ignoring the fact that drug laws have been used as an excuse to terrorize minority communities for decades
  - helloworld11 4y ago
    and your second (valid) point doesn't change by one iota the fact that black on black violent crime is extremely pervasive in these communities and also the cause of the vast majority of murders of african americans. The FBI Uniform crime statistics, derived in part from solved murders and other violent crimes bear this out too. What you say about racist policies may be true but no white outsider is putting a gun into the hands of certain blacks and making them shoot other blacks. One sound criticism of BLM has been exactly this, a complete aversion for political ideological reasons to placing any focus on things that black communities themselves can work to change internally.
    - feet 4y ago
      Found the racist who ignores centuries of systemic oppression https://lasdgangs.knock-la.com/ https://lasdgangs.knock-la.com/
      - autoexec 4y ago
        Sounds like he's just saying that two things can be true. Police can be racist and blacks can kill the most black people. naturally three things can be true too and maybe he is racist. Seems like the kind of willful misunderstanding of BLM you'd see from racists. That kind of confusion (intentional or not) is another reason why BLM was a terrible name for the movement.
        feet 4y ago
        And those statements literally ignore the centuries of systemic violence and oppression used to keep African Americans poor and in the lower class. We have designed a system which keeps opportunities away from specific groups of people and then when they have strife and conflict that naturally arises out of these extreme poverty situations we have racist assholes who come along and say "oh but look at the black on black crime" while literally ignoring the fact that they continue to support policies and politicians that, while maybe not explicit, continue to support the systemic structures that have caused the situation in the first place We live in a complex system with many moving parts and the majority of people are supporting the system that keeps poor people in poverty generation after generation. When people have no hope and are constantly shit on by the people who claim they help, I'll give you a hint (it's the police), yea they turn to crime and violence because they literally have no options to survive All of that on top of our hyper capitalistic system which states that anyone can achieve the american dream where the ultra rich flaunt their wealth is just rubbing it in the faces of those living in abject generational poverty Yea, if we design and support a system like that you're going to have problems. And racist idiots who can't understand these systemic effects are parading around talking about "black on black crime" like that's the issue at hand. Its not, not even close. The issue is systemic poverty and suppression which creates the situation in the first place. Since I know someone is going to come along and say some crap about "making choices": we have less choice than people think and free will is an illusion. Our conditions, surroundings, and chance largely determine the path we take through life. If you want to see an explanation of why free will isn't real, I have a long recent comment on it as a reply to this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=feet#31945561 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=feet#31945561
mr_toad 4y ago
The unsolved rate is still 2.6 times higher.
jjeaff 4y ago
Fear of interacting with police might be a more apt description.
bergenty 4y ago
I would allocate some blame to a more lackadaisical approach by the police to solving crimes that happen in black communities in addition to your point. The reason there is resistance to supporting the police is also because of the history of how police have continued to treat those communities.

11101010001100 4y ago

The point stands: comparing nation-level statistics. Of course, one is free to choose an arbitrary level of granularity.

calvinmorrison 4y ago
FWIW Comparing the United States to Micronesia is also a bad idea. Or to say, Life in moscow is sure different than in Kamchatka

JonShartwell 4y ago

Other countries also have groups who have historically been discriminated against and the numbers show they do a much better job at solving these crimes than the US

Andaith 4y ago

If they're not solving the crimes, how do you know they're "predominantly killed by other blacks"? Also, why is there resistance to supporting police in those communities?

Fargoan 4y ago
Most murders aren't random. Neighborhoods are segregated.
deleted 4y ago
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swearwolf 4y ago
You’ve never heard of “snitches get stitches?”
Manuel_D 4y ago
Mostly from reports of witnesses. Even if the murder goes unsolved, the witnesses can provide a description.
feet 4y ago
"Black on black crime" is a talking point that racists in the US absolutely love to toss around while totally ignoring the fact that drug laws have been used as an excuse to terrorize minority communities for decades
- helloworld11 4y ago
  and your second (valid) point doesn't change by one iota the fact that black on black violent crime is extremely pervasive in these communities and also the cause of the vast majority of murders of african americans. The FBI Uniform crime statistics, derived in part from solved murders and other violent crimes bear this out too. What you say about racist policies may be true but no white outsider is putting a gun into the hands of certain blacks and making them shoot other blacks. One sound criticism of BLM has been exactly this, a complete aversion for political ideological reasons to placing any focus on things that black communities themselves can work to change internally.
  - feet 4y ago
    Found the racist who ignores centuries of systemic oppression https://lasdgangs.knock-la.com/ https://lasdgangs.knock-la.com/
    - autoexec 4y ago
      Sounds like he's just saying that two things can be true. Police can be racist and blacks can kill the most black people. naturally three things can be true too and maybe he is racist. Seems like the kind of willful misunderstanding of BLM you'd see from racists. That kind of confusion (intentional or not) is another reason why BLM was a terrible name for the movement.
      - feet 4y ago
        And those statements literally ignore the centuries of systemic violence and oppression used to keep African Americans poor and in the lower class. We have designed a system which keeps opportunities away from specific groups of people and then when they have strife and conflict that naturally arises out of these extreme poverty situations we have racist assholes who come along and say "oh but look at the black on black crime" while literally ignoring the fact that they continue to support policies and politicians that, while maybe not explicit, continue to support the systemic structures that have caused the situation in the first place We live in a complex system with many moving parts and the majority of people are supporting the system that keeps poor people in poverty generation after generation. When people have no hope and are constantly shit on by the people who claim they help, I'll give you a hint (it's the police), yea they turn to crime and violence because they literally have no options to survive All of that on top of our hyper capitalistic system which states that anyone can achieve the american dream where the ultra rich flaunt their wealth is just rubbing it in the faces of those living in abject generational poverty Yea, if we design and support a system like that you're going to have problems. And racist idiots who can't understand these systemic effects are parading around talking about "black on black crime" like that's the issue at hand. Its not, not even close. The issue is systemic poverty and suppression which creates the situation in the first place. Since I know someone is going to come along and say some crap about "making choices": we have less choice than people think and free will is an illusion. Our conditions, surroundings, and chance largely determine the path we take through life. If you want to see an explanation of why free will isn't real, I have a long recent comment on it as a reply to this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=feet#31945561 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=feet#31945561

mr_toad 4y ago

The unsolved rate is still 2.6 times higher.

jjeaff 4y ago

Fear of interacting with police might be a more apt description.

bergenty 4y ago

I would allocate some blame to a more lackadaisical approach by the police to solving crimes that happen in black communities in addition to your point. The reason there is resistance to supporting the police is also because of the history of how police have continued to treat those communities.