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For reference, in Germany the rate is about 95%. https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/152525/umfrage/entwicklung-der-polizeilichen-aufklaerungsquote-

For reference, in Germany the rate is about 95%. https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/152525/umfrage/entwicklung-der-polizeilichen-aufklaerungsquote-bei-mord-seit-1995/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/152525/umfrag...

Originami 4y ago
And the rate for White victims in the USA is 87% (from within the article). Fairly similar. The overall rate is brought down by the volume of black victims (predominantly killed by others blacks), and the resistance to supporting police within those same communities.
- 11101010001100 4y ago
  The point stands: comparing nation-level statistics. Of course, one is free to choose an arbitrary level of granularity.
  - calvinmorrison 4y ago
    FWIW Comparing the United States to Micronesia is also a bad idea. Or to say, Life in moscow is sure different than in Kamchatka
- JonShartwell 4y ago
  Other countries also have groups who have historically been discriminated against and the numbers show they do a much better job at solving these crimes than the US
- Andaith 4y ago
  If they're not solving the crimes, how do you know they're "predominantly killed by other blacks"? Also, why is there resistance to supporting police in those communities?
  - Fargoan 4y ago
    Most murders aren't random. Neighborhoods are segregated.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - swearwolf 4y ago
    You’ve never heard of “snitches get stitches?”
  - Manuel_D 4y ago
    Mostly from reports of witnesses. Even if the murder goes unsolved, the witnesses can provide a description.
  - feet 4y ago
    "Black on black crime" is a talking point that racists in the US absolutely love to toss around while totally ignoring the fact that drug laws have been used as an excuse to terrorize minority communities for decades
    - helloworld11 4y ago
      and your second (valid) point doesn't change by one iota the fact that black on black violent crime is extremely pervasive in these communities and also the cause of the vast majority of murders of african americans. The FBI Uniform crime statistics, derived in part from solved murders and other violent crimes bear this out too. What you say about racist policies may be true but no white outsider is putting a gun into the hands of certain blacks and making them shoot other blacks. One sound criticism of BLM has been exactly this, a complete aversion for political ideological reasons to placing any focus on things that black communities themselves can work to change internally.
      - feet 4y ago
        Found the racist who ignores centuries of systemic oppression https://lasdgangs.knock-la.com/ https://lasdgangs.knock-la.com/
- mr_toad 4y ago
  The unsolved rate is still 2.6 times higher.
- jjeaff 4y ago
  Fear of interacting with police might be a more apt description.
- bergenty 4y ago
  I would allocate some blame to a more lackadaisical approach by the police to solving crimes that happen in black communities in addition to your point. The reason there is resistance to supporting the police is also because of the history of how police have continued to treat those communities.
alexfromapex 4y ago
Just playing devil’s advocate, the US and Germany are different in many ways. More lax gun laws in US, almost 4 times the population in the US, vastly larger size of the country to name a few.
- rschachte 4y ago
  How is that playing devils advocate? That just furthers the point that the US has a ton of terrible policies and regulations that lead to systemic disaster in so many areas
  - alexfromapex 4y ago
    The definition of devils advocate is “ a person who expresses a contentious opinion in order to provoke debate or test the strength of the opposing arguments”. I posted a contentious opinion by saying that direct USA/Germany demographics comparison is a false equivalence and was hoping for more discussion around that instead of going in the direction that the USA has bad policies.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  How is your devil's advocate position different from your own?
  - alexfromapex 4y ago
    Because I don’t care either way and therefore don’t have an opinion? I just posted an opposing viewpoint in hopes that there could be a well rounded discussion. Germany and the USA is an apples to oranges comparison.
moralestapia 4y ago
Sorry, I don't speak german and can't understand the linked post. Is that 95% solved or unsolved?
freyr 4y ago
The rate of unsolved murders is about 5%.

Originami 4y ago

And the rate for White victims in the USA is 87% (from within the article). Fairly similar. The overall rate is brought down by the volume of black victims (predominantly killed by others blacks), and the resistance to supporting police within those same communities.

11101010001100 4y ago
The point stands: comparing nation-level statistics. Of course, one is free to choose an arbitrary level of granularity.
- calvinmorrison 4y ago
  FWIW Comparing the United States to Micronesia is also a bad idea. Or to say, Life in moscow is sure different than in Kamchatka
JonShartwell 4y ago
Other countries also have groups who have historically been discriminated against and the numbers show they do a much better job at solving these crimes than the US
Andaith 4y ago
If they're not solving the crimes, how do you know they're "predominantly killed by other blacks"? Also, why is there resistance to supporting police in those communities?
- Fargoan 4y ago
  Most murders aren't random. Neighborhoods are segregated.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- swearwolf 4y ago
  You’ve never heard of “snitches get stitches?”
- Manuel_D 4y ago
  Mostly from reports of witnesses. Even if the murder goes unsolved, the witnesses can provide a description.
- feet 4y ago
  "Black on black crime" is a talking point that racists in the US absolutely love to toss around while totally ignoring the fact that drug laws have been used as an excuse to terrorize minority communities for decades
  - helloworld11 4y ago
    and your second (valid) point doesn't change by one iota the fact that black on black violent crime is extremely pervasive in these communities and also the cause of the vast majority of murders of african americans. The FBI Uniform crime statistics, derived in part from solved murders and other violent crimes bear this out too. What you say about racist policies may be true but no white outsider is putting a gun into the hands of certain blacks and making them shoot other blacks. One sound criticism of BLM has been exactly this, a complete aversion for political ideological reasons to placing any focus on things that black communities themselves can work to change internally.
    - feet 4y ago
      Found the racist who ignores centuries of systemic oppression https://lasdgangs.knock-la.com/ https://lasdgangs.knock-la.com/
mr_toad 4y ago
The unsolved rate is still 2.6 times higher.
jjeaff 4y ago
Fear of interacting with police might be a more apt description.
bergenty 4y ago
I would allocate some blame to a more lackadaisical approach by the police to solving crimes that happen in black communities in addition to your point. The reason there is resistance to supporting the police is also because of the history of how police have continued to treat those communities.

alexfromapex 4y ago

Just playing devil’s advocate, the US and Germany are different in many ways. More lax gun laws in US, almost 4 times the population in the US, vastly larger size of the country to name a few.

rschachte 4y ago
How is that playing devils advocate? That just furthers the point that the US has a ton of terrible policies and regulations that lead to systemic disaster in so many areas
- alexfromapex 4y ago
  The definition of devils advocate is “ a person who expresses a contentious opinion in order to provoke debate or test the strength of the opposing arguments”. I posted a contentious opinion by saying that direct USA/Germany demographics comparison is a false equivalence and was hoping for more discussion around that instead of going in the direction that the USA has bad policies.
kelseyfrog 4y ago
How is your devil's advocate position different from your own?
- alexfromapex 4y ago
  Because I don’t care either way and therefore don’t have an opinion? I just posted an opposing viewpoint in hopes that there could be a well rounded discussion. Germany and the USA is an apples to oranges comparison.

moralestapia 4y ago

Sorry, I don't speak german and can't understand the linked post. Is that 95% solved or unsolved?

freyr 4y ago

The rate of unsolved murders is about 5%.