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Everything is going to be okay.

by malthuswaswrong 4y ago

FredPret 4y ago
Malthus was wrong, hopefully Gretha as well
- lnwlebjel 4y ago
  Malthus was wrong because of innovation, and if Gretha is wrong, it will also be because of innovation.
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    How do you innovate out of basic thermodynamics? We could stop emitting every single atom of CO2 right now and still suffer from some significant consequences. There is no solution that doesn't involve "wasting" energy (and since we live in a capitalist world, money) on capturing CO2
    - lnwlebjel 4y ago
      Bill Gates's books has a great account of what it will take to get us out of this mess - and I agree, it is a huge mess - and Carbon capture is likely to be a small part of the solution.
OtomotO 4y ago
and in the case it doesn't: no worries, the end was always the same, the heat death of the universe :) so try your best and if it doesn't play out: memento mori!
- gumby 4y ago
  No momento mori beyond the heat death of the universe I'm afraid.
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Gigachad 4y ago
Honestly I can't see how it will be. I think we will get incredible technologies that cut resource usage. But we have already done this several times now and every time we make something more efficient we just consume more. We have made car engines massively more efficient but the gains were entirely lost to bigger cars and driving longer distances. There are billions of people living almost primitive lives just waiting to consume as much as we do driving everywhere and buying new iphones every year. We are about to make things cheaper and more efficient and give them access to this consumption. Despite all of this advancement, resource usage and emissions has never once gone backwards or even slowed down its increase.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  Climate catastrophy arguments needs more scrutiny. The error bars are huge. https://twitter.com/birdhillcap/status/1541812452760776705 https://twitter.com/birdhillcap/status/1541812452760776705 https://twitter.com/AlexEpstein/status/1541768533004148738 https://twitter.com/AlexEpstein/status/1541768533004148738 https://twitter.com/luisbaram/status/1523671791062843393 https://twitter.com/luisbaram/status/1523671791062843393 https://twitter.com/AlexEpstein/status/1529809797582815244 https://twitter.com/AlexEpstein/status/1529809797582815244 There is a bigger problem. Those who scrutinize climate change are punished by the society even though we need legit scientists and people that debunk overarching claims. You could accept CC arguments but still be a critic of some of the insane claims going on today. It's like the early COVID days. Can't criticize. Can't speak against the mob. Can't do science without scrutiny.
  - chimprich 4y ago
    > Climate catastrophy arguments needs more scrutiny. Right, so your sources for this is a few Twitter posts. Let's take a look. The first one is a supposed quote from Al Gore, but he never said that. Even if he did, Al Gore getting something wrong would hardly disprove anything about climate science. > Those who scrutinize climate change are punished by the society You're parroting untrue claims. How about some self-awareness?
    - 4y ago
gumby 4y ago
I agree. I just wish I could be around 50M years from now when the cockroach-descendent paleontologists marvel at the weird biped fossils and wonder if they could ever have been sophisticated enough to have had a civilisation. We are not ruining the earth in any way. We are merely making it inhospitable to vertebrates and some other life forms.

Everything is going to be okay.

FredPret 4y ago

Malthus was wrong, hopefully Gretha as well

lnwlebjel 4y ago
Malthus was wrong because of innovation, and if Gretha is wrong, it will also be because of innovation.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  How do you innovate out of basic thermodynamics? We could stop emitting every single atom of CO2 right now and still suffer from some significant consequences. There is no solution that doesn't involve "wasting" energy (and since we live in a capitalist world, money) on capturing CO2
  - lnwlebjel 4y ago
    Bill Gates's books has a great account of what it will take to get us out of this mess - and I agree, it is a huge mess - and Carbon capture is likely to be a small part of the solution.

OtomotO 4y ago

and in the case it doesn't: no worries, the end was always the same, the heat death of the universe :) so try your best and if it doesn't play out: memento mori!

gumby 4y ago
No momento mori beyond the heat death of the universe I'm afraid.

deleted 4y ago

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Gigachad 4y ago

Honestly I can't see how it will be. I think we will get incredible technologies that cut resource usage. But we have already done this several times now and every time we make something more efficient we just consume more. We have made car engines massively more efficient but the gains were entirely lost to bigger cars and driving longer distances. There are billions of people living almost primitive lives just waiting to consume as much as we do driving everywhere and buying new iphones every year. We are about to make things cheaper and more efficient and give them access to this consumption. Despite all of this advancement, resource usage and emissions has never once gone backwards or even slowed down its increase.

systemvoltage 4y ago
Climate catastrophy arguments needs more scrutiny. The error bars are huge. https://twitter.com/birdhillcap/status/1541812452760776705 https://twitter.com/birdhillcap/status/1541812452760776705 https://twitter.com/AlexEpstein/status/1541768533004148738 https://twitter.com/AlexEpstein/status/1541768533004148738 https://twitter.com/luisbaram/status/1523671791062843393 https://twitter.com/luisbaram/status/1523671791062843393 https://twitter.com/AlexEpstein/status/1529809797582815244 https://twitter.com/AlexEpstein/status/1529809797582815244 There is a bigger problem. Those who scrutinize climate change are punished by the society even though we need legit scientists and people that debunk overarching claims. You could accept CC arguments but still be a critic of some of the insane claims going on today. It's like the early COVID days. Can't criticize. Can't speak against the mob. Can't do science without scrutiny.
- chimprich 4y ago
  > Climate catastrophy arguments needs more scrutiny. Right, so your sources for this is a few Twitter posts. Let's take a look. The first one is a supposed quote from Al Gore, but he never said that. Even if he did, Al Gore getting something wrong would hardly disprove anything about climate science. > Those who scrutinize climate change are punished by the society You're parroting untrue claims. How about some self-awareness?
  - 4y ago

gumby 4y ago

I agree. I just wish I could be around 50M years from now when the cockroach-descendent paleontologists marvel at the weird biped fossils and wonder if they could ever have been sophisticated enough to have had a civilisation. We are not ruining the earth in any way. We are merely making it inhospitable to vertebrates and some other life forms.