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I wonder how future generations will judge us. These last years have showed how weak little sheep we all are. The US has spent more in the last 2 years than our

I wonder how future generations will judge us. These last years have showed how weak little sheep we all are. The US has spent more in the last 2 years than our entire countries history, we are racked with debt and stuck in 30 different wars. & yet we are still discussing covid and abortion. We stopped working for TWO YEARS, made things that were proven to be false from the start, the norm and have somehow seem to have just moved on. I was canceled at work, some social & professional cicles for calling out the absolute absurdity of masks in general but especially cloth & bandanas. When i spoke about the absolute onslaught of studies that have showed our data was all f*cked and we couldn't make any logical assumptions out of it. We had plans in place to quarantine the old and sickly and we did the exact opposite. I've always tried to understand how people could fight in hitlers army, now i have my answer. It's much easier to posture and social gesture your way to hell than it is to stand against the immoral tide.

bsder 4y ago
Except that mask mandates aren't worthless. We have relatively controlled studies in other countries demonstrating where one area got masks and another area didn't that there was a fairly clear difference in transmission rate. What are useless are mask mandates when you have a large cohort that simply won't comply or will anti-comply. Which is what we had in the US--both from political intransigence (Covid is a hoax) as well as general stupidity (Remember the police in CA having to break up a block party in the middle of Covid?) as well as general intransigence (Remember a handful of illegal gatherings being responsible for 80% of the Covid cases in California at the beginning? I do.). This shouldn't have even needed to be a mandate. It should have been common sense. It should have been protecting your fellow man. But, here, we are.
- edmcnulty101 4y ago
  >protecting your fellow man I've been homeless before multiple times. Fellow man does not look out for me. That's the beauty of FREEDOM. I dont have to protect my fellow man because fellow man is mostly shitty. My body my choice is my favorite slogan ever.
- TrapLord_Rhodo 4y ago
  you're right, they weren't worthless. The lockdowns & mask mandates were extremely harmful. More harm came from/ will come from the economic harships, seclusion, loss of status, community & immunity than covid ever posed. >This shouldn't have even needed to be a mandate. It should have been common sense. It should have been protecting your fellow man. You're right - That's what america was built on. We are land of the free & our social structure is created by the people for the people. Let social norms dictate your paternalism, not the government.
GuB-42 4y ago
Going straight to the Godwin point, I see... Nothing about covid was known from the start besides the structure of the virus. And while we made progress, there is still a lot we don't know, and we expect the unexpected. Even if based on current research, you are right on some point (speaking generally), saying "I knew it, it was obvious all along" only shows that you don't understand science. You didn't, you took a guess and by chance, it was right. And your "onslaught of studies" is most likely cherry picked. Because mask mandates are a contentious issue, there are many studies going both ways. No matter the facts, it is an attitude worth "cancelling". You can have opinions, I have my own, some turned out right, others did not, but they are just that. But one thing to note: there are many countries in the world, all with different cultures, with a wide variety of covid strategies. Though some did better than others, none of them managed to keep covid at bay, all of them suffered in some way. If anything, at least in the beginning, dictatorships did better. How future generation will judge us? The idiots will look down on us, the smart ones will see what we did right, and what we did wrong, both will be precious knowledge that will help them make better decisions.
- TrapLord_Rhodo 4y ago
  In a highly globalized economy, containment is impossible, & 'slowing the curve' is folly. >if anything, at least in the beginning, dictatorships did better. Based on what info? the data the dictator publishes?
- junofan 4y ago
  Anyone who’s worked professionally with our nation’s healthcare apparatus will have prior opinions about those at the top. I haven’t had to change my priors. Wouldn’t call that a “guess” by “chance.”
- grepfru_it 4y ago
  You know what was known? A shortage of N95 masks and zero attempt (at least publicly) to increase production. But we have a surplus of ventilators now!
  - TrapLord_Rhodo 4y ago

bsder 4y ago

Except that mask mandates aren't worthless. We have relatively controlled studies in other countries demonstrating where one area got masks and another area didn't that there was a fairly clear difference in transmission rate. What are useless are mask mandates when you have a large cohort that simply won't comply or will anti-comply. Which is what we had in the US--both from political intransigence (Covid is a hoax) as well as general stupidity (Remember the police in CA having to break up a block party in the middle of Covid?) as well as general intransigence (Remember a handful of illegal gatherings being responsible for 80% of the Covid cases in California at the beginning? I do.). This shouldn't have even needed to be a mandate. It should have been common sense. It should have been protecting your fellow man. But, here, we are.

edmcnulty101 4y ago
>protecting your fellow man I've been homeless before multiple times. Fellow man does not look out for me. That's the beauty of FREEDOM. I dont have to protect my fellow man because fellow man is mostly shitty. My body my choice is my favorite slogan ever.
TrapLord_Rhodo 4y ago
you're right, they weren't worthless. The lockdowns & mask mandates were extremely harmful. More harm came from/ will come from the economic harships, seclusion, loss of status, community & immunity than covid ever posed. >This shouldn't have even needed to be a mandate. It should have been common sense. It should have been protecting your fellow man. You're right - That's what america was built on. We are land of the free & our social structure is created by the people for the people. Let social norms dictate your paternalism, not the government.

GuB-42 4y ago

Going straight to the Godwin point, I see... Nothing about covid was known from the start besides the structure of the virus. And while we made progress, there is still a lot we don't know, and we expect the unexpected. Even if based on current research, you are right on some point (speaking generally), saying "I knew it, it was obvious all along" only shows that you don't understand science. You didn't, you took a guess and by chance, it was right. And your "onslaught of studies" is most likely cherry picked. Because mask mandates are a contentious issue, there are many studies going both ways. No matter the facts, it is an attitude worth "cancelling". You can have opinions, I have my own, some turned out right, others did not, but they are just that. But one thing to note: there are many countries in the world, all with different cultures, with a wide variety of covid strategies. Though some did better than others, none of them managed to keep covid at bay, all of them suffered in some way. If anything, at least in the beginning, dictatorships did better. How future generation will judge us? The idiots will look down on us, the smart ones will see what we did right, and what we did wrong, both will be precious knowledge that will help them make better decisions.

TrapLord_Rhodo 4y ago
In a highly globalized economy, containment is impossible, & 'slowing the curve' is folly. >if anything, at least in the beginning, dictatorships did better. Based on what info? the data the dictator publishes?
junofan 4y ago
Anyone who’s worked professionally with our nation’s healthcare apparatus will have prior opinions about those at the top. I haven’t had to change my priors. Wouldn’t call that a “guess” by “chance.”
grepfru_it 4y ago
You know what was known? A shortage of N95 masks and zero attempt (at least publicly) to increase production. But we have a surplus of ventilators now!
- TrapLord_Rhodo 4y ago