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And when US companies attempt to obey Chinese law and are banned anyway? Nice to know that Apple was given "equal legal consideration" in China in 2016 when its

And when US companies attempt to obey Chinese law and are banned anyway? Nice to know that Apple was given "equal legal consideration" in China in 2016 when its iBooks store and iTunes movie store were suddenly ordered shut after six months of operation. Oh, wait. . . they weren't given any legal recourse at all and the Obama administration did nothing about it while Silicon Valley grandees kept conspicuously silent. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/technology/apple-no-longer-immune-to-chinas-scrutiny-of-us-tech-firms.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/technology/apple-no-longe...

dirtyid 4y ago
And? Laws change... PRC updates law to ban foreign publishers, ergo ibooks/itunes got killed. US also has national security negative lists that they use to kill China Telecom in US.. who followed US laws until it got updated. But Apple rolled with the punches are still doing great in PRC. If US laws wants to mandate TikTok to remove some service segement, Bytedance will also comply. Like they're doing with Oracle data siloing under CIFIUS. TikTok is rolling with the punches like Apple did in PRC because you know... they understand following local laws is business 101.
- tatrajim 4y ago
  >But Apple rolled with the punches are still doing great in PRC.< But not allowed to sell books or films, apparently too corrupting of the delicate moral sensibilities of the Chinese people. You make a good point about how laws might and should change. A return to the wisdom of the Ming period trade with Japan seems in order: a strict tally-trade quota system, based on transparent reciprocity. One university student for one university student. One streaming service for one streaming service. One telecom for one telecom. One chip for one chip. Disruptive at first, perhaps, but eventually both fair and salutary. The days of casual forbearance of 骗老外 attitudes belong to a halcyon past for China.
  - dirtyid 4y ago
    > too corrupting Why sponsor foreign propaganda? No surprise foreign NGO crackdown, dismantling of CIA network, exposing how many CCP bureaucrats were being bribed by US intelligence around this time. > strict tally-trade Is this going to be a "fair and salutary" arrangement where PRC high tech exports don't get sanctioned on geopolitical whims and US networks has their portion of huawei gear, roads their portion of Chinese cars, US tech stack has their portion of Chinese IP. If so, sign PRC up. I imagine limiting outbound students alone is good for PRC brain drain.
    - tatrajim 4y ago
      > If so, sign PRC up Glad we agree. The reciprocity should also include internet packets bit for bit and farm land ownership, acre for acre.

dirtyid 4y ago

And? Laws change... PRC updates law to ban foreign publishers, ergo ibooks/itunes got killed. US also has national security negative lists that they use to kill China Telecom in US.. who followed US laws until it got updated. But Apple rolled with the punches are still doing great in PRC. If US laws wants to mandate TikTok to remove some service segement, Bytedance will also comply. Like they're doing with Oracle data siloing under CIFIUS. TikTok is rolling with the punches like Apple did in PRC because you know... they understand following local laws is business 101.

tatrajim 4y ago
>But Apple rolled with the punches are still doing great in PRC.< But not allowed to sell books or films, apparently too corrupting of the delicate moral sensibilities of the Chinese people. You make a good point about how laws might and should change. A return to the wisdom of the Ming period trade with Japan seems in order: a strict tally-trade quota system, based on transparent reciprocity. One university student for one university student. One streaming service for one streaming service. One telecom for one telecom. One chip for one chip. Disruptive at first, perhaps, but eventually both fair and salutary. The days of casual forbearance of 骗老外 attitudes belong to a halcyon past for China.
- dirtyid 4y ago
  > too corrupting Why sponsor foreign propaganda? No surprise foreign NGO crackdown, dismantling of CIA network, exposing how many CCP bureaucrats were being bribed by US intelligence around this time. > strict tally-trade Is this going to be a "fair and salutary" arrangement where PRC high tech exports don't get sanctioned on geopolitical whims and US networks has their portion of huawei gear, roads their portion of Chinese cars, US tech stack has their portion of Chinese IP. If so, sign PRC up. I imagine limiting outbound students alone is good for PRC brain drain.
  - tatrajim 4y ago
    > If so, sign PRC up Glad we agree. The reciprocity should also include internet packets bit for bit and farm land ownership, acre for acre.