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so, do you think Ottomans should have waited and sit back ? As you said, It was not under normal conditions as Greeks tried to setup their own state. Blood was

by m00dy 4y ago

so, do you think Ottomans should have waited and sit back ? As you said, It was not under normal conditions as Greeks tried to setup their own state. Blood was shed and they won.

YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
The OP pointed out that "Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks, Armenians, etc. were brutally supressed and massacred many times." Your comment implied this wasn't true: "If we were that bad as you said in your comments, how would they preserve their language, religion and their identity ?" So then I pointed out that, yes, the Ottomans were "that bad" and they did routinely massacre Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs, Armenians, etc. What are we still disagreeing about? It's not clear to me.
- m00dy 4y ago
  There is a slight difference between normal conditions vs war conditions. I think in war conditions, both sides take risks and eventually one of them wins. That's how it works.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
    So we are in agreement that "Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks, Armenians, etc. were brutally supressed and massacred many times". Correct?
    - m00dy 4y ago
      Not really. Under normal conditions, they were living in the empire peacefully as they were able to preserve their culture/language/identity.
      - YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
        And then they were brutally massacred, correct?
        m00dy 4y ago
        Your statement is as true as Ottomans were brutally massacred.
        YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
        So it is true?
        m00dy 4y ago
        >>So it is true? Asking the same thing again and again doesn't help here. Unfortunately binary statements would not be sufficient to cover all parameters in this context. I hope this helps.
        YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
        I don't understand what is the problem with "binary statements". Either Greeks, Bulgarians, Armenians, etc, were brutally massacred by the Ottomans, or they were not. It shouldn't be that hard to say either "yes" or "no". If there are other issues to discuss, these can be addressed separately. But a simple true/false judgement should be very, very easy to decide given the wealth of historical information available.
        m00dy 4y ago
        According to the wealth of historical information available, I can find at least two turkish people that were brutally massacred by Greeks, Bulgarians, Armenians etc. So yes, Ottomans were brutally massacred.
        YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
        And Greeks, Bulgarians, Armenians and others were also brutally massacred, correct? Kardas, let me be frank: we can play this game forever and you're not going to convince anyone you're right, you'll just convince everyone you're dishonest.

by m00dy 4y ago

so, do you think Ottomans should have waited and sit back ? As you said, It was not under normal conditions as Greeks tried to setup their own state. Blood was shed and they won.

YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago

The OP pointed out that "Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks, Armenians, etc. were brutally supressed and massacred many times." Your comment implied this wasn't true: "If we were that bad as you said in your comments, how would they preserve their language, religion and their identity ?" So then I pointed out that, yes, the Ottomans were "that bad" and they did routinely massacre Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs, Armenians, etc. What are we still disagreeing about? It's not clear to me.

m00dy 4y ago
There is a slight difference between normal conditions vs war conditions. I think in war conditions, both sides take risks and eventually one of them wins. That's how it works.
- YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
  So we are in agreement that "Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks, Armenians, etc. were brutally supressed and massacred many times". Correct?
  - m00dy 4y ago
    Not really. Under normal conditions, they were living in the empire peacefully as they were able to preserve their culture/language/identity.
    - YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
      And then they were brutally massacred, correct?
      - m00dy 4y ago
        Your statement is as true as Ottomans were brutally massacred.
        YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
        So it is true?
        m00dy 4y ago
        >>So it is true? Asking the same thing again and again doesn't help here. Unfortunately binary statements would not be sufficient to cover all parameters in this context. I hope this helps.
        YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
        I don't understand what is the problem with "binary statements". Either Greeks, Bulgarians, Armenians, etc, were brutally massacred by the Ottomans, or they were not. It shouldn't be that hard to say either "yes" or "no". If there are other issues to discuss, these can be addressed separately. But a simple true/false judgement should be very, very easy to decide given the wealth of historical information available.
        m00dy 4y ago
        According to the wealth of historical information available, I can find at least two turkish people that were brutally massacred by Greeks, Bulgarians, Armenians etc. So yes, Ottomans were brutally massacred.
        YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
        And Greeks, Bulgarians, Armenians and others were also brutally massacred, correct? Kardas, let me be frank: we can play this game forever and you're not going to convince anyone you're right, you'll just convince everyone you're dishonest.